Hi Cherie,<br>Great, welcome! I don't want to insist on any sort of tight time frame for this project. I'm happy to keep it going on a rolling basis so that as many people who are interested can participate despite their other obligations. So please let feel free to join in when you're finished with the house (and good luck!).<br>
Likewise, Charles feel free to join back in once you're settled in Brazil (and also good luck with that!).<br>Best,<br>Erika<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Cherie Wren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cwterp@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cwterp@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">see, that is why its never a good idea to say so directly "you're wrong." 'I wouldn't sign it that way' is always better. I brush (not rub) straight up, so now we have three variations of one sign. lol. Are they regional variations, individual variations, or are one or two of us 'wrong'? No real way to know...<br>
<br>shall we discuss how to sign FROG instead? I'm in for this project btw, we are in the middle of a hellacious mountain of paperwork and meetings and contractors trying to buy a fannie mae foreclosure house, or I would have responded sooner. <br>
<br>cherie<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt">
<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> KJ Boal <<a href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 21, 2013 3:15 AM<div>
<div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: A Pear Story<br> </div></div></font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <br>
<div><div><div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">OK, I agree you’re doing PSE – but the sign “pear” is still written wrong because the right had should move to the left – toward the left wrist. I have no issue with the Rub symbol (sorry if I used the wrong word), I just disagree with the arrows.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You’ve taken issue with others’ sign spelling before, I didn’t think you’d be that defensive if someone pointed out a problem with yours.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">KJ</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></div>
<div><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles Butler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: A Pear Story</span></div><div> </div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in" valign="top"><div>I was working directly off of the ASL Sign Puddle. I'm glad to write it out long-hand and make the
sign on ASL puddle more explicit. <br><br>Signed English would be: I picked up the pairs and put them into the bag. <br><br><img src=""><br><img src=""><br><br>I have no time markers, what I have is PSE. <br><br>Me pick pear into bag. <br>
<br>I just looked at the sign on the ASL sign puddle, and the sign shows "rub between" which
means it stays on the hand, and does not brush off. The arrows show the direction of the rub, but the rub says that the hands remain in contact. A brush would move off. <br><br><img src="">This is a brush, it would move off in the direction of the arrow. <br>
<br><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt">pear</span></b><img src=""><br><br>This is a rub, the hand remains in contact and moves in the direction of the arrow (which means the right hand is grasping the left hand and moving to the right in the direction of the arrow but it does not move off the hand.<br>
<br>Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br><a href="tel:240-764-5748" value="+12407645748" target="_blank">240-764-5748</a><br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
<br>--- On <b>Sun, 1/20/13, KJ Boal <i><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>></i></b> wrote:</div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>From: KJ Boal <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br>
Subject: Re: A Pear Story<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 7:37 PM</div><div><div><div><div>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Nice story, Charles, but I think you misspelled “pear” – the right hand should rub the left, but your arrows show the right hand moving away from the left.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Works for me as an example of Signed English!</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">KJ</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: A Pear Story</span></div>
</div></div><div> </div><div>SignWriting List</div><div><div>January 19, 2013</div></div><div><div> </div></div><div><div>We got it, Charles - This is great! </div></div><div><div> </div></div><div><div>I still need to make that SignPuddle file - it is coming - </div>
</div><div><div> </div></div><div><div>Meanwhile wherever you save it in SignPuddle, be sure to put in the Text area, that the document is for the "Anthropology Book Project"…</div></div><div><div> </div></div><div>
<div>Val ;-)</div></div><div><div> </div></div><div><div>------</div></div><div><div> </div></div><div><div> </div></div><div><div> </div><div><div><div>On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM,
Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </div><div><table border="1" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt" valign="top">
<div><img src="cid:1.2125132229@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" height="400" width="150" border="0"></div></td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt" valign="top"><div><img src="cid:2.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" height="400" width="150" border="0"></div>
</td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt" valign="top"><div><img src="cid:3.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" height="400" width="150" border="0"></div></td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt" valign="top">
<div><img src="cid:4.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" height="400" width="150" border="0"></div></td><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt" valign="top"><div><img src="cid:5.2125132230@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com" height="400" width="150" border="0"></div>
</td></tr></tbody></table><div><div> </div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I picked a bag of pears. The bag ripped. What to do? I put the pears into the bag again. I got onto a bicycle. No. No. The bears ripped the bag again. Enough. I give the pears to you. </div>
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