<div dir="ltr"><div>On my opinion<br>if we use a sentence in english<br>1) I sould translate it for my deaf colleagues and so my sentence will be different from yours<br>2) (and more important) we risk to produce a SL that is very close to vocal language<br>
so, allways on my opinion, is better to have something that is VL-free, so that we don't influence SL production<br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/22 Stefan Wöhrmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>></span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB">Hi Ingvild, Erika, friends, <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB">I agree with your comment and suggestion – almost the
same as I described in one of my messages before ;-)) <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB">“ Ingvild wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB">....<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB"></span></font></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><div class="im">2) Frame 1: Woman walking with a small dog on a
leash Frame 2: Woman still leasurely walking the dog, scene altered
Frame 3: Woman & dog, + cat in opposite direction Frame 4: Dog
dragging chasing cat and dragging woman, who has fallen<br>
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Or even simpler: A drawing of a room with a table, a chair, ... and a
sentence to be translated, like: "Please bring me the red book that is on
the table to the left of the door" , or something similar” ...” <u></u><u></u></font><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB">Best <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-GB">Stefan<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-GB">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt" lang="EN-GB">
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Im
Auftrag von </span></b>Erika<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesend</span></b></span></font><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold">et:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt"> Dienstag, 22. Januar 2013 13:15<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b> Re: A Pear Story - what
sort of book to write</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks Ingvild: <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Yes, what I'm envisioning is basically the second scenario you list
below, using a short (equivalent of a paragraph) excerpt from either the Frog
story (which consists of illustrations) or the Pear story (which is a video).<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I've been waiting a few days to decide which option to take, as opinion
seems split. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">In the meantime these spelling discussions have come up, and they are
interesting.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">the goal is ultimately as you describe: "writing <span>a short passage
in our local sign language, and in our personal style of writing." </span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">But I welcome these discussions about spelling or any other issues of
interest to list members.</span><u></u><u></u></font></p></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:12 AM, "Ingvild Roald" <<a href="mailto:iroald@HOTMAIL.COM" target="_blank">iroald@HOTMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi all,<br>
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I'm a bit confused:<br>
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This seems to turn into a discussion on how to spell certain signs in ASL.<br>
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My impression from Erica's invitation was that we were supposed to write a
short passage in our local sign language, and in our personal style of writing.<br>
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Both the Pear story and the Frog story seem to ask for good Deaf storytelling -
something that can be amazing, but would call for something different from what
I was anticipating.<br>
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If the book project is also going to augment the amount of written stories for
Deaf children, the task is huge.<br>
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If the book is to try to demonstrate and research different ways of using SW, I
suggest one (or both) of the following courses:<br>
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1) A short paragraph (less than 100 English words) to be translated and written
into the different SLs. The paragraph should be (almost) culture-free, and give
opportunities to show use of classifiers, location etc.<br>
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2) A 'story' or scene with one or a few simple pictures that would give
oporunity to use location markers, classifiers etc.<br>
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As I cannot draw, I cannot give good examples of what I mean, but my
suggestions for outlines would be something like:<br>
1) (simple drawing of boy, a school, a house,..): "Hi! My name is (fill
inn from culture). I am a boy. I am deaf. I go to school over there. I learn to
read and to write. My language is Sign language. I learn to read and write my
own language in Sign Writing at school. I live with my family in the house over
there, on the hill. Our house i red ....)<br>
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2) Frame 1: Woman walking with a small dog on a leash Frame 2: Woman
still leasurely walking the dog, scene altered Frame 3: Woman & dog,
+ cat in opposite direction Frame 4: Dog dragging chasing cat and
dragging woman, who has fallen<br>
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Or even simpler: A drawing of a room with a table, a chair, ... and a
sentence to be translated, like: "Please bring me the red book that is on
the table to the left of the door" , or something similar<br>
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Ingvild <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013
20:09:57 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">kjoanne403@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a><br>
Subject: Re: A Pear Story<br>
To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="background:white"><font color="black" size="4" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14pt">shall
we discuss how to sign FROG instead? </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="background:white"><font color="#1f497d" size="4" face="Arial"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Arial;font-size:14pt"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white"><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Sure; I’d write it like this:</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="background:white"><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt"><image001.png></span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="background:white"><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">Not exactly the same as other entries in SignPuddle, but they’re
all along the same lines.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white"><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:11pt">KJ</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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