<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>February 13, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>The symbol is showing which finger closes first, second and third and has nothing to do with other movement such as wrist movement or arm movement…so the arrow has nothing to do with twists…it just shows which fingers close in which sequence…</div><div><br></div><div>If you need to really see the ending position that twists, then why not write a beginning and ending hand position, showing the ending handshape in the twisted or angled position that you feel it needs to be?…I would write two hand symbols, one for the beginning and one for the ending…</div><div><br></div><div>And the dot by dot symbol can be placed closer to the fingers in the beginning 5 hand - We can talk about it when we Skype later -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div id="yiv2093019644"><table id="yiv2093019644bodyDrftID" class="yiv2093019644" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv2093019644drftMsgContent" style="font:inherit;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;">And yet, intuitively, the hand itself bends counter-clockwise (following the direction of the arrow) as the fingers close clockwise. How does one show the counter-wrist bend of the hand for a complete movement? <br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M18x18S14c01n15xn13S2ff00n18xn17S21a39n34xn33S28c03n51xn45&pad=10&name=linda%20%283%29"><br><br><br><br><br>Charles Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 2/13/13, Stefan Wöhrmann <i><<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>><br>Subject: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:07 PM<br><br><div id="yiv2093019644">
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<div class="yiv2093019644Section1"><p class="yiv2093019644MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hi Charles, </span></font></p><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="yiv2093019644MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">yes I would prefer your
second spelling showing the pinky being the first to close.</span></font></p><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="yiv2093019644MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">Stefan </span></font></p><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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</span></font></div><p class="yiv2093019644MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;"> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 13. Februar
2013 22:47<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">An:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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LIBRAS. From the videos, I'm apparently writing in backward if I intend to
show the smaller finger being the first to close. <br>
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<img id="yiv2093019644_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS14c01S2ff00S21a33M18x17S14c01n15xn14S2ff00n18xn18S21a33n32xn36&pad=10&name=linda" height="32" width="32">linda
(beautiful) LIBRAS<br>
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From the video, it should be shown like this. Is this correct? <img id="yiv2093019644_x0000_i1026" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS14c01S2ff00S21a39M18x18S14c01n15xn13S2ff00n18xn17S21a39n34xn33&pad=10&name=linda%20%282%29" height="32" width="32"><br>
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Charles Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
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