<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">That feels right so that the hand is bending at the wrist while the fingers are closing. <br><br>Charles Butler<br>
chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 2/14/13, Ingvild Roald <i><iroald@HOTMAIL.COM></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Ingvild Roald <iroald@HOTMAIL.COM><br>Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>Date: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 8:34 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1221724437">
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As I try to do the sign, it wonder wether this is really a bending at the wrist rather than a movement of the whole hand? If so, writing <br><br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M24x38S2ff00n18xn17S14c01n12xn8S21a39n34xn30S22e035x19"> might do the trikc?<br><br>Ingvild
<br><br><div><div id="yiv1221724437SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="yiv1221724437stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:00:35 -0800<br>From: chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM<br>Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit;" valign="top">The hand's position is in front of the face, not beside it, so putting the finger closings any closer would obscure the fact that it really is in front of the face. It is one movement, the hand bending to the left and the fingers closing one-by-one. The fingers close as the hand turns so I don't see how to separate out what is a single motion. We will talk but it still is one complex motion. <br><br><br>Charles Butler<br>
chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 2/13/13, Valerie Sutton <i><signwriting@MAC.COM></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Valerie Sutton <signwriting@MAC.COM><br>Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:37 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979"><div>SignWriting List<div>February 13, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>The symbol is showing which finger closes first, second and third and has nothing to do with other movement such as wrist movement or arm movement…so the arrow has nothing to do with twists…it just shows which fingers close in which sequence…</div><div><br></div><div>If you need to really see the ending position that twists, then why not write a beginning and ending hand position, showing the ending handshape in the twisted or angled
position that you feel it needs to be?…I would write two hand symbols, one for the beginning and one for the ending…</div><div><br></div><div>And the dot by dot symbol can be placed closer to the fingers in the beginning 5 hand - We can talk about it when we Skype later -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit;" valign="top"><div id="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979"><table id="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979bodyDrftID" class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979drftMsgContent"
style="font:inherit;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;">And yet, intuitively, the hand itself bends counter-clockwise (following the direction of the arrow) as the fingers close clockwise. How does one show the counter-wrist bend of the hand for a complete movement? <br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M18x18S14c01n15xn13S2ff00n18xn17S21a39n34xn33S28c03n51xn45&pad=10&name=linda%20%283%29"><br><br><br><br><br>Charles Butler<br>
<a rel="nofollow">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 2/13/13, Stefan Wöhrmann <i><<a rel="nofollow">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left:5px;"><br>From: Stefan Wöhrmann <<a rel="nofollow">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>><br>Subject: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To: <a rel="nofollow">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:07 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979">
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<div class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979Section1"><p class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hi Charles, </span></font></p><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;"> </span></font><br class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">yes I would prefer your
second spelling showing the pinky being the first to close.</span></font></p><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font><br class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">Stefan </span></font></p><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font><br class="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a rel="nofollow">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 13. Februar
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LIBRAS. From the videos, I'm apparently writing in backward if I intend to
show the smaller finger being the first to close. <br>
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<img id="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS14c01S2ff00S21a33M18x17S14c01n15xn14S2ff00n18xn18S21a33n32xn36&pad=10&name=linda" height="32" width="32">linda
(beautiful) LIBRAS<br>
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From the video, it should be shown like this. Is this correct? <img id="yiv1221724437ecxyiv402303979_x0000_i1026" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS14c01S2ff00S21a39M18x18S14c01n15xn13S2ff00n18xn17S21a39n34xn33&pad=10&name=linda%20%282%29" height="32" width="32"><br>
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<a rel="nofollow">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
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