<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://283/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>February 14, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Ingvild!</div><div>This is a good suggestion - and great to hear from you -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:34 AM, Ingvild Roald <<a href="mailto:iroald@HOTMAIL.COM">iroald@HOTMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div dir="ltr">As I try to do the sign, it wonder wether this is really a bending at the wrist rather than a movement of the whole hand? If so, writing<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M24x38S2ff00n18xn17S14c01n12xn8S21a39n34xn30S22e035x19"> might do the trikc?<br><br>Ingvild<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:00:35 -0800<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a><br>Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit; ">The hand's position is in front of the face, not beside it, so putting the finger closings any closer would obscure the fact that it really is in front of the face. It is one movement, the hand bending to the left and the fingers closing one-by-one. The fingers close as the hand turns so I don't see how to separate out what is a single motion. We will talk but it still is one complex motion.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Charles Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Wed, 2/13/13, Valerie Sutton<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; "><br>From: Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br>Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:37 PM<br><br><div id="ecxyiv402303979">SignWriting List<div>February 13, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>The symbol is showing which finger closes first, second and third and has nothing to do with other movement such as wrist movement or arm movement…so the arrow has nothing to do with twists…it just shows which fingers close in which sequence…</div><div><br></div><div>If you need to really see the ending position that twists, then why not write a beginning and ending hand position, showing the ending handshape in the twisted or angled position that you feel it needs to be?…I would write two hand symbols, one for the beginning and one for the ending…</div><div><br></div><div>And the dot by dot symbol can be placed closer to the fingers in the beginning 5 hand - We can talk about it when we Skype later -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000%40YAHOO.COM" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxyiv402303979Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit; "><div id="ecxyiv402303979"><table id="ecxyiv402303979bodyDrftID" class="ecxyiv402303979" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td id="ecxyiv402303979drftMsgContent" style="font: inherit; font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; ">And yet, intuitively, the hand itself bends counter-clockwise (following the direction of the arrow) as the fingers close clockwise. How does one show the counter-wrist bend of the hand for a complete movement?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M18x18S14c01n15xn13S2ff00n18xn17S21a39n34xn33S28c03n51xn45&pad=10&name=linda%20%283%29"><br><br><br><br><br>Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000%40yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Wed, 2/13/13, Stefan Wöhrmann<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><<a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=stefanwoehrmann%40GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; "><br>From: Stefan Wöhrmann <<a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=stefanwoehrmann%40GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>><br>Subject: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand.<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=SW-L%40LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:07 PM<br><br><div id="ecxyiv402303979"><div class="ecxyiv402303979Section1"><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Hi Charles,</span></font></div><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><br class="ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">yes I would prefer your second spelling showing the pinky being the first to close.</span></font></div><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><br class="ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; "><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Stefan</span></font></div><div><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><br class="ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div class="ecxyiv402303979MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; "><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=L%40LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Charles Butler<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2013 22:47<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=SW-L%40LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion on slow close of hand.</span></font></div></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div><table class="ecxyiv402303979MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding: 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Here is how I wrote "linda" (beautiful) in LIBRAS. From the videos, I'm apparently writing in backward if I intend to show the smaller finger being the first to close.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><img id="ecxyiv402303979_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS14c01S2ff00S21a33M18x17S14c01n15xn14S2ff00n18xn18S21a33n32xn36&pad=10&name=linda" height="32" width="32">linda (beautiful) LIBRAS<br><br>From the video, it should be shown like this. Is this correct?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><img id="ecxyiv402303979_x0000_i1026" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS14c01S2ff00S21a39M18x18S14c01n15xn13S2ff00n18xn17S21a39n34xn33&pad=10&name=linda%20%282%29" height="32" width="32"><br><br><br><br><br><br>Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" href="http:///mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000%40yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</span></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="ecxyiv402303979webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><img name="CharlesB.JPG" id="02ef5de9-65f0-41e4-8cea-150113e9e083" height="125" width="91" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:F921982A-3BA2-49F9-B592-3EA218D65CC4"></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>