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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Rachel, Valerie,
Charles...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>thank you for your
comments. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not know. I am
afraid my English is not good enough to explain what our design team is trying
to find out. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Let me try again ... smile.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Personally – as someone
who is working with SignWriting for more than a decade now – I do not
miss anything and I feel so accustomed to the font as it is that I feel pretty
astonished if anybody shows up with the idea to “i m p r o v
e” the design of the symbols in order to make them look more “modern”
or more “nice” or easier to accept or ... or ... or... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Valerie you know about
the discussion with another project years ago - ... I do not want to think of
that. ... ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now there is another
group of design students. They try to “brush up” the symbols. From
time to time I try to explain to them that by all means we should not change
anything which would cause problems if it comes to misinterpretations – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>...within this context
Valerie explained again the idea behind the root of a given hand shape ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now we happened to find
an interesting phenomenon. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Human fingers are as they
are – smile – No way to bent your fingers in a smooth curve because
of the bones of a given lenght. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I understand perfectly,
that we can discuss that different variations of a curved hand (flat hand, more
open C – Hand, more closed C-Hand, E – Hand , O- Hand,
S-Hand) are possible and can be written so that the reader should get an idea
of the scribes intention. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That is not my point. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What I am interested in
is to understand why we find different designs for extremely bent fingers
depending on the fact how many fingers are involved. We do write these bent
fingers as </span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'>angular/hooked/bent handshape, if we are
talking about one, two or three fingers but write half circle curves if there
are more fingers involveld. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><img width=199
height=82 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.png@01CE0BC4.E9053050"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Is this just by
accident? Is this a matter of how to get a clear design in small
fonts...? Is it a relict of the DOS-software with limitations if it comes to smooth
lines,,? </span></font><font color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If it does not matter it
would be no problem to just write half-circle curves in order to indicate that
we are talking about the extremly bent fingers. (Have a look at the “claw
– hand”)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If it is my feeling that
the hooked index finger is better represented with angular/hooked/bent
handshape –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If we would design this
finger with a half circle at the end of the finger it feels to me kind of “not
correct”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> I was told that I
would probably be able to overcome my irritation and would be able to become
familiar with this “new” presentation as “half circle
curve” .... if I see this writing again and again... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So from my point of view
it makes sense just as Charles pointed out </span></font><font face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial'>"beautiful" artwork must make
sure that you don't lose articulation.” In order to find out that this
should not happen I try to invite all of you to think about this -...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thank you very much for your attention. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Stefan <font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:Arial'> SignWriting List: Read
and Write Si</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>gn
Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Rachel Channon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 15. Februar
2013 20:31<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: discussion: design of
bent fingers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Two examples:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>ASL fingerspelled C is
normally a curved handshape, E is an angular/hooked/bent handshape. Under
some circumstances, the normally curved C handshape might become more angular
(perhaps when fingerspelling E-C-E fast) or the E handshape might relax
into a more curved handshape (perhaps L-E-O might produce this).
((I’m inventing these examples just to make the point here – they
may be wrong). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I would think that you
might want to continue writing the C with a more curved handshape and the E
with a more angular representation even if they looked identical on the
surface. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Is this what you mean,
Stefan?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Best, Rachel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Rachel Channon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sign Language
Investigations, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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