<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well said, Charles. :-) And I saw your new writings of the other signs. Much better.<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">The point is that it is a SIGN, not a drumbeat. It is the action of beating a drum, initialized with C = candomble, M = Macumba, or U = Umbanda. It is not beating a drum it is taking the Tambor sign and modifying for a name sign.<br><br><br>Charles Butler<br>
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Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 3/2/13, Adam Frost <i><<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>Subject: Re: AW: QUESTION: Dynamics and Timing Symbols<br>To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Saturday, March 2, 2013, 5:39 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1111278511"><base><div>Only if the aim is to drive the fingertips to do the "striking" of the drum. ;-) But then again, it might be how it is actually done. I wouldn't know.<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="yiv1111278511Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="yiv1111278511Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;" lang="DE"><div class="yiv1111278511Section1" style=""><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">Looking at the two fingers – ouch – wouldn´t it hurt? Just my feeling but I am no drummer ... ;-))</span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">
</span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB"> </span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB"><img id="yiv1111278511_x0000_i1029" height="154" width="128" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1.2571132888@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"></span></font></div><div><div class="yiv1111278511MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';text-align:center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;"><span class="yiv1111278511Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU]<span class="yiv1111278511Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von<span class="yiv1111278511Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Valerie Sutton<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="yiv1111278511Apple-converted-space"> </span>Samstag, 2. März 2013 22:01<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">An:</span></b><span class="yiv1111278511Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" href="x-msg://14/mc/compose?to=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b><span class="yiv1111278511Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: QUESTION: Dynamics and Timing Symbols</span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">SignWriting List</span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">March 2, 2013</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Please excuse my delay in answering this question. Thank you, Charles, for caring about writing and asking questions… Second, I saw that Madson and perhaps others answered you already on Facebook - and they wrote it well too...smile…so you are getting plenty of feedback... Thanks to everyone
-</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Regarding the Strike symbol in your writing… The drum beat that you are trying to write below does not actually contact a surface but is mimicking the feeling of contacting a surface with the drumming movement - So that would not be written with a Strike Symbol, because the Strike must show contact with force, and there is no real contact happening…So the Tension Symbol at the end of the movement, or even the Fast Symbols would be substituted, rather than using the Strike symbols (if you feel
they are necessary - they may not be - maybe too much detail?)...</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Regarding the Alternating Symbol - no I would not use that either. When we read a group of arrows with the left and right hands, we always read the arrows from the Center - Out. So the left and right arrow that are closest to the center are read first, and then read out one by one - so there is no need to also write an Alternating Symbol…since the Alternating feeling is already there if you follow the Center-Out
rule...</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">So I would write it this way, if we want to write lots of detail (smile):</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=12&sgn=46&sid=3264" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=12&sgn=46&sid=3264</a></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><img id="yiv1111278511adeaad4d-cb55-46d4-9780-4c0b0275ff57" border="0" height="154" width="128" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:1.2571132888@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Val ;-)</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">--------</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Valerie Sutton <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" target="_blank" href="x-msg://14/mc/compose?to=signwriting@mac.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">signwriting@mac.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><br><br></span></font></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">SignWriting List</span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">February 27, 2013</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Hi Charles -</span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Thank you for this question. I will post your
question to the SignWriting List so others can learn too…</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">There are three Timing Symbols… as you can see here:</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.signbank.org/iswa/2f7_sg.html" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">http://www.signbank.org/iswa/2f7_sg.html</a></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><img id="yiv1111278511d3929406-035e-404b-bc4c-a83689b01f71" border="0" height="269" width="381" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:2.2571132888@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">I will explain in detail next message -</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">
</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Val ;-)</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">-------</span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:40 AM, Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank" href="x-msg://14/mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><br><br></span></font></div><table class="yiv1111278511MsoNormalTable" style="" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm;" valign="top"><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;">Thank you, thank you..<span class="yiv1111278511Apple-converted-space"> </span><img id="yiv1111278511_x0000_i1027" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M42x47S12d5115xn45S12d59n37xn46S231009xn6S23110n42xn5S20c0110x19S20c03n35x23S2fd00n12xn14&pad=10&name=Umbanda" border="0" height="32" width="32"><br><br>Meanwhile<br><br>Take a look at this sign. Do I need the alternating arcs. I've never been sure with this as one hand goes up as the other comes down. As there is no surface (it's a drum beat) is this the right movement. Should it be ~ instead ?<br><br><br>Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="x-msg://14/mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</span></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></font></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>