<html><head><base href="x-msg://9/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="signtextcolumn">Would this be a clear enough writing?</div><div class="signtextcolumn"><br></div><div class="signtextcolumn"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M14x19S15a16n13x7S10000n8xn19"></div><div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div><div>On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Hi Maria, Erika,Adam, Valerie...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">The reason that I feel uncomfortable with the spelling of this sign is just as Erika explains:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">“Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to flex so much to allow the hand to rest in the palm of the left? “<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">That`s it and it is independent of DGS – smile.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Reading your sign my brain suggests to experiment with one of these variations:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Left hand indicating the ground, right hand indicating the tower (<span class="st">Dharahara) -<o:p></o:p></span></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="st"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="st"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><img width="63" height="53" id="_x0000_i1034" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:image004.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="st"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="st"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">(I would feel much more comfortable with the left hand palm down ( but that is not the point. It is not up to me to discuss signs but only to discuss spelling – I know smile!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="st"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><img width="67" height="53" id="_x0000_i1044" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:image005.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="st"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><img width="63" height="54" id="_x0000_i1037" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:image006.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="st"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Well if you write a “rest” one hand upon another I expect that I can perform that. In this case you cannot unless you rest the lower arm on the palm of the left hand holding the right hand at 90°.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">(That hurts)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><img width="145" height="158" id="_x0000_i1049" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:image007.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">What we do in these cases is what Adam explained: We simply accept and tell our brain to interpret this spelling if it shows up another time to be interpreted as what you see on Erikas foto.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">I myself love to discuss spelling and to ask myself wether this or that spelling should be chosen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sometimes I have my doubts immediately – for example when reading the first attempt of Claudia to write Paris – wow next message she shows up to change handorientation – well done!! Another example is the spelling of Sao Paulo palm facing the signer...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><img width="63" height="46" id="_x0000_i1050" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:image008.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">In this case of Kathmandu – Adam is right – it hurts if I try to sign it with this extreme bend and I would be eager to videotape 10 signers in Kathmandu – how many of them would rest the back of the right hand on the palm of the left hand – but just bending the index up – or something like this in between the two spellings ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">So to anwer your question Maria – in my first contact with Erikas spelling I wanted the right hand with index straight upward... and that is impossible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Thanks Maria for your question.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Freitag, 29. März 2013 18:25<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Erika's SignWriting..</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Stefan - would that have helped?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Happy Easter to you too Maria! I was actually just eating a Cadbury Cream Egg while reading your message...<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM, MARIA GALEA <<a href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Yes that could be it..perhaps if the B-Hand hand is written diagonally it<br>might read more 'smoothly'? see attached.<br><br>oh and before I go a BIG HAPPY EASTER Erika and EVERYONE else on the<br>List..enjoy your Easter Eggs and naturally your loved ones.<br><span class="hoenzb"><font color="#888888"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); ">maria</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><br>> Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to flex so much to<br>> allow<br>> the hand to rest in the palm of the left? Maybe that extreme bend is not<br>> as<br>> phonologically common in, say, DGS?<br>><br>><br>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM, MARIA GALEA<br>> <<a href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt</a>>wrote:<br>><br>>> Stefan,<br>>> I could read Erika's writing perfectly, without the photo. I don't<br>>> understand why you claimed that the SignWriting couldn't be performed.<br>>> Maria<br>>><br>>><br>>> > Here's a photo of the sign. How would you suggest I write it. Scribing<br>>> has<br>>> > never been my strong suit :)<br>>> ><br>>> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Stefan W�hrmann <<br>>> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>> wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> >> Hi Erika, ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ** **<br>>> >><br>>> >> well I cannot perform that ;-( although I have an idea what you want<br>>> to<br>>> >> show � but right hand up there is the horizontal line of hand and<br>>> lower<br>>> >> arm - nothing that can be rest on the left palm ???****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ** **<br>>> >><br>>> >> Stefan****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ** **<br>>> >> ------------------------------<br>>> >><br>>> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<br>>> >><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] *Im Auftrag von *Erika<br>>> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>>> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 18:07<br>>> >><br>>> >> *An:*<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>>> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write the name<br>>> of<br>>> >> YOUR city and post to the List?<br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ** **<br>>> >><br>>> >> Yes, the right hand comes to rest on top of the palm of the left.<br>>> Maybe<br>>> >> I<br>>> >> should just have shown them already in contact?****<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Stefan W�hrmann <<br>>> >><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>> wrote:****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Hi Erika, ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> can you explain Kathmandu: ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> left flat hand palm up fingers to the right ( no problem)****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> right hand Index � Hand � palm facing the signer moving down - mh<br>>> �<br>>> >> how to get the touch between the two hands � right hand on top of<br>>> the<br>>> >> left<br>>> >> hand ?? ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Stefan ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >> ------------------------------<br>>> >><br>>> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<br>>> >><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] *Im Auftrag von *Erika<br>>> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>>> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 17:18****<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> *An:*<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>>> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write the name<br>>> of<br>>> >> YOUR city and post to the List?****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> I don't know ASL, so I don't know a sign for Detroit, Ann Arbor, or<br>>> >> Oberlin (my US places).****<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> So I'm posting the sign for Kathmandu, the city where I learned to<br>>> sign!<br>>> >> *<br>>> >> ***<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>><br>>> >> wrote:<br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> I am a West Coaster, and I must admit that people get East Coast city<br>>> >> signs mixed up along with our own city signs. But this is how I<br>>> >> personally<br>>> >> sign the 4 commonly confused "B" cities, since I am very picky and<br>>> have<br>>> >> been known to correct people at times. ;-) It seems to match what you<br>>> >> sign,<br>>> >> Kim.****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Boston, Massachusetts****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Baltimore, Massachusetts****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Berkeley, California****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Burbank, California****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Adam****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Mar 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Kimberley Shaw wrote:****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ** **<br>>> >><br>>> >> Hi everyone:<br>>> >> those of us in Boston, Massachusetts sign it thus:<br>>> >> ****<br>>> >> ------------------------------<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> and refer to Berkeley, CA thus:<br>>> >><br>>> >> But some of my signing friends tell me that when you're on the West<br>>> >> Coast,<br>>> >> it's the other way around!<br>>> >> Best,<br>>> >> Kim from Boston****<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Valerie Sutton<br>>> <<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>>> >> wrote:****<br>>> >><br>>> >> SignWriting List****<br>>> >><br>>> >> March 28, 2013****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> NAMES OF CITIES and STATES Around the World****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Thank you, Ingvild, Charles and Stefan for your signs!****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> I would suggest that you add your signs to the International Sign<br>>> >> Dictionary online:****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> SignPuddle for International Signs Dictionary****<br>>> >><br>>> >><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=35****" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=35****</a><br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> I just copied mine for La Jolla, California from the ASL Dictionary<br>>> to<br>>> >> the<br>>> >> International Dictionary, and I hope you can do the same for your<br>>> signs<br>>> >> too�<br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> And I hope more names of cities, states, countries and other<br>>> >> international<br>>> >> signs can be added too�****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Here is what we have so far�and I really like all four spellings!<br>>> Thanks<br>>> >> to you all�****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> Val ;-)****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >> ****<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> --<br>>> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>>> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>>> >> Oberlin College ****<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> --<br>>> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>>> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>>> >> Oberlin College ****<br>>> >><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > --<br>>> > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>>> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>>> > Oberlin College<br>>> ><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>> Oberlin College<br>><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>Oberlin College<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><img name="Dharahara 1.png" id="4c414435-e1a7-4e6e-b85b-ec891292b663" height="53" width="67" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:F98C080C-A890-4A04-B6D5-59D8CC901AD0"><img name="Dharahara 3.png" id="9379dec7-04d4-438c-9188-0dc0962476f6" height="53" width="63" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:EABE99E7-496E-4B12-BDB4-D71F68D5BA70"><img name="Dharahara 2.png" id="a5dc7c60-1c14-498c-a671-7412ee775ab7" height="54" width="63" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:9A19649D-506E-4A38-8554-269D9B91215D"><img name="Kathmandu.png" id="e4006936-7c19-40ea-bcf1-3d97b16e96b0" height="158" width="145" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:4BB64536-8E36-48D7-989A-4D8BDF680846"></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>