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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ups – excuse me Valerie, ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I answered Erikas message
before I started to read yours. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes - I agree with everything
you explain. You read my spellings correctly – I describe a different
performing due to the fact that I felt uncomfortable with the first idea. Now
after I watched the original performance of Kathmandu the video I </span></font><span
class=hps><span lang=EN>I feel</span></span><span class=shorttext><span
lang=EN> </span></span><span class=hps><span lang=EN>confirmed</span></span><span
class=shorttext><span lang=EN>.</span> The signer hits the back of his right
hand index hinged on the palm of the left hand. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=shorttext><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=shorttext><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>For the sake of a easy to write and easy to
read spelling I agree with you to follow Adams version ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=shorttext><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=shorttext><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Perhaps there is no need to insist on detailed
writing in this case since you have to be informed in order to understand the
sign “Kathmandu” representing t</span></font></span><span lang=EN-GB>he tower with
a spiral staircase containing 213 steps. ;-))) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>All best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Stefan</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 29. März 2013
20:49<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: AW: Erika's
SignWriting..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>March 29, 2013<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Actually, in this instance, I would choose Adam's writing below, based
on what I saw in the picture...because Stefan's writing does not tell me the
same information - Adam's writing is saying that the hand is sitting on top of
the palm, but Stefan's writing looks like the hand is above the palm slightly
and not really sitting on the palm, plus the right arm looks like it is in
front of the left hand, and not really sitting on top of the left hand…the
darkened forearm represents an arm in front of the other - so I would assume
that the touch contact means that the wrist of the right arm is touching the
little finger side of the left hand - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For me it is not necessary to write the wrist flexing since the two
hands tell it all when writing the Position of Contact...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>All this is just my perspective obviously and whatever you all decide
is fine with me ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think this is a really interesting discussion - this is why I
realized that "writing what you see" is not always the same for
everyone - people see different things in the exact same picture -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Whether something hurts or not is not the point either - because people
have different body types and I cannot do half the positions we can write -
smile -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>--------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Adam Frost <<a
href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Would this be a clear enough writing?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1051"
src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M14x19S15a16n13x7S10000n8xn19"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Maria, Erika,Adam, Valerie...<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The reason that I feel
uncomfortable with the spelling of this sign is just as Erika explains:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>“Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to
flex so much to allow the hand to rest in the palm of the left? “<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That`s it and it is independent of DGS – smile.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Reading your sign my brain suggests to experiment with
one of these variations:<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Left hand indicating the ground, right hand indicating
the tower (<span class=st>Dharahara) -<u1:p></u1:p></span></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><img border=0 width=63 height=53 id="_x0000_i1034"
src="cid:image001.gif@01CE2CCD.15F94AA0" apple-width=yes apple-height=yes></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'>(I would feel much more comfortable with
the left hand palm down ( but that is not the point. It is not up to me to
discuss signs but only to discuss spelling – I know smile!)<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><img border=0 width=67 height=53 id="_x0000_i1044"
src="cid:image002.gif@01CE2CCD.15F94AA0" apple-width=yes apple-height=yes></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><img border=0 width=63 height=54 id="_x0000_i1037"
src="cid:image003.gif@01CE2CCD.15F94AA0" apple-width=yes apple-height=yes></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well if you write a “rest” one hand upon another I
expect that I can perform that. In this case you cannot unless you rest the
lower arm on the palm of the left hand holding the right hand at 90°.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>(That hurts)<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><img border=0 width=145 height=158 id="_x0000_i1049"
src="cid:image004.gif@01CE2CCD.15F94AA0" apple-width=yes apple-height=yes></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>What we do in these cases is what Adam explained: We
simply accept and tell our brain to interpret this spelling if it shows up
another time to be interpreted as what you see on Erikas foto.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I myself love to discuss spelling and to ask myself
wether this or that spelling should be chosen.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sometimes I have my doubts immediately – for example
when reading the first attempt of Claudia to write Paris – wow next message she
shows up to change handorientation – well done!! Another example is the
spelling of Sao Paulo palm facing the signer...<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><img border=0 width=63 height=46 id="_x0000_i1050"
src="cid:image005.gif@01CE2CCD.15F94AA0" apple-width=yes apple-height=yes></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>In this case of Kathmandu – Adam is right – it hurts
if I try to sign it with this extreme bend and I would be eager to
videotape 10 signers in Kathmandu – how many of them would rest the back of the
right hand on the palm of the left hand – but just bending the index up – or
something like this in between the two spellings ;-)<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>So to anwer your question Maria – in my first contact
with Erikas spelling I wanted the right hand with index straight
upward... and that is impossible.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks Maria for your question.<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>SignWriting List: Read and Write
Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftrag von<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Erika
Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Freitag, 29. März 2013 18:25<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: Erika's SignWriting..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>Yes that could be it..perhaps if the B-Hand hand is written diagonally
it<br>
might read more 'smoothly'? see attached.<br>
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oh and before I go a BIG HAPPY EASTER Erika and EVERYONE else on the<br>
List..enjoy your Easter Eggs and naturally your loved ones.<br>
<span class=hoenzb><font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'>maria<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to flex so much to<br>
> allow<br>
> the hand to rest in the palm of the left? Maybe that extreme bend is not<br>
> as<br>
> phonologically common in, say, DGS?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM, MARIA GALEA<br>
> <<a href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt">maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Stefan,<br>
>> I could read Erika's writing perfectly, without the photo. I don't<br>
>> understand why you claimed that the SignWriting couldn't be performed.<br>
>> Maria<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > Here's a photo of the sign. How would you suggest I write it.
Scribing<br>
>> has<br>
>> > never been my strong suit :)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Stefan W�hrmann <<br>
>> ><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Hi Erika, ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> well I cannot perform that ;-( although I have an idea
what you want<br>
>> to<br>
>> >> show � but right hand up there is the horizontal line of hand
and<br>
>> lower<br>
>> >> arm - nothing that can be rest on the left palm ???****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Stefan****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:<br>
>> >><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]
*Im Auftrag von *Erika<br>
>> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 18:07<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *An:*<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
>> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write
the name<br>
>> of<br>
>> >> YOUR city and post to the List?<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Yes, the right hand comes to rest on top of the palm of the
left.<br>
>> Maybe<br>
>> >> I<br>
>> >> should just have shown them already in contact?****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Stefan W�hrmann <<br>
>> >><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>>
wrote:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi Erika, ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> can you explain Kathmandu: ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> left flat hand palm up fingers to the right ( no problem)****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> right hand Index � Hand � palm facing the signer moving
down - mh<br>
>> �<br>
>> >> how to get the touch between the two hands � right hand
on top of<br>
>> the<br>
>> >> left<br>
>> >> hand ?? ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Stefan ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:<br>
>> >><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]
*Im Auftrag von *Erika<br>
>> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 17:18****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *An:*<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
>> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write
the name<br>
>> of<br>
>> >> YOUR city and post to the List?****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I don't know ASL, so I don't know a sign for Detroit, Ann
Arbor, or<br>
>> >> Oberlin (my US places).****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So I'm posting the sign for Kathmandu, the city where I
learned to<br>
>> sign!<br>
>> >> *<br>
>> >> ***<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Adam Frost <<a
href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I am a West Coaster, and I must admit that people get East
Coast city<br>
>> >> signs mixed up along with our own city signs. But this is how
I<br>
>> >> personally<br>
>> >> sign the 4 commonly confused "B" cities, since I am
very picky and<br>
>> have<br>
>> >> been known to correct people at times. ;-) It seems to match
what you<br>
>> >> sign,<br>
>> >> Kim.****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Boston, Massachusetts****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Baltimore, Massachusetts****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Berkeley, California****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Burbank, California****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Adam****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Mar 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Kimberley Shaw wrote:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi everyone:<br>
>> >> those of us in Boston, Massachusetts sign it thus:<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> and refer to Berkeley, CA thus:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> But some of my signing friends tell me that when you're on
the West<br>
>> >> Coast,<br>
>> >> it's the other way around!<br>
>> >> Best,<br>
>> >> Kim from Boston****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Valerie Sutton<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> SignWriting List****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> March 28, 2013****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> NAMES OF CITIES and STATES Around the World****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thank you, Ingvild, Charles and Stefan for your signs!****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I would suggest that you add your signs to the International
Sign<br>
>> >> Dictionary online:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> SignPuddle for International Signs Dictionary****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=35****"
target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=35****</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I just copied mine for La Jolla, California from the ASL
Dictionary<br>
>> to<br>
>> >> the<br>
>> >> International Dictionary, and I hope you can do the same for
your<br>
>> signs<br>
>> >> too�<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> And I hope more names of cities, states, countries and other<br>
>> >> international<br>
>> >> signs can be added too�****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Here is what we have so far�and I really like all four
spellings!<br>
>> Thanks<br>
>> >> to you all�****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Val ;-)****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
>> >> Oberlin College ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
>> >> Oberlin College ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
>> > Oberlin College<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
> Oberlin College<br>
><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
Oberlin College<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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width=145 height=158 id=e4006936-7c19-40ea-bcf1-3d97b16e96b0
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