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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Maria, Erika,Adam, Valerie... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The reason that I feel
uncomfortable with the spelling of this sign is just as Erika explains: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>“Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to
flex so much to allow the hand to rest in the palm of the left? “<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That`s it and it is independent of DGS – smile. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Reading your sign my brain suggests to experiment with
one of these variations: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Left hand indicating the ground, right hand indicating
the tower (<span class=st>Dharahara) - <o:p></o:p></span></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'><img width=63 height=53 id="_x0000_i1034"
src="cid:image004.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'>(I would feel much more comfortable with
the left hand palm down ( but that is not the point. It is not up to me to
discuss signs but only to discuss spelling – I know smile!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'><img width=67 height=53 id="_x0000_i1044"
src="cid:image005.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'><img width=63 height=54 id="_x0000_i1037"
src="cid:image006.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=st><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well if you write a “rest” one hand upon another I
expect that I can perform that. In this case you cannot unless you rest the
lower arm on the palm of the left hand holding the right hand at 90°. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>(That hurts)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><img width=145 height=158 id="_x0000_i1049"
src="cid:image007.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>What we do in these cases is what Adam explained: We
simply accept and tell our brain to interpret this spelling if it shows up
another time to be interpreted as what you see on Erikas foto. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I myself love to discuss spelling and to ask myself
wether this or that spelling should be chosen. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sometimes I have my doubts immediately – for example
when reading the first attempt of Claudia to write Paris – wow next message she
shows up to change handorientation – well done!! Another example is the
spelling of Sao Paulo palm facing the signer... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><img width=63 height=46 id="_x0000_i1050"
src="cid:image008.gif@01CE2CB9.D9CD37C0"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>In this case of Kathmandu – Adam is right – it hurts if
I try to sign it with this extreme bend and I would be eager to videotape 10
signers in Kathmandu – how many of them would rest the back of the right hand
on the palm of the left hand – but just bending the index up – or something
like this in between the two spellings ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>So to anwer your question Maria – in my first contact
with Erikas spelling I wanted the right hand with index straight upward... and
that is impossible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks Maria for your question. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 29. März 2013
18:25<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Erika's SignWriting..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Stefan - would that have helped? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Happy Easter to you too Maria! I was actually just eating a Cadbury
Cream Egg while reading your message...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM, MARIA GALEA <<a
href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt" target="_blank">maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yes that could be it..perhaps if the B-Hand hand is written diagonally
it<br>
might read more 'smoothly'? see attached.<br>
<br>
oh and before I go a BIG HAPPY EASTER Erika and EVERYONE else on the<br>
List..enjoy your Easter Eggs and naturally your loved ones.<br>
<span class=hoenzb><font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'>maria</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<br>
> Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to flex so much to<br>
> allow<br>
> the hand to rest in the palm of the left? Maybe that extreme bend is not<br>
> as<br>
> phonologically common in, say, DGS?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM, MARIA GALEA<br>
> <<a href="mailto:maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt">maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Stefan,<br>
>> I could read Erika's writing perfectly, without the photo. I don't<br>
>> understand why you claimed that the SignWriting couldn't be performed.<br>
>> Maria<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > Here's a photo of the sign. How would you suggest I write it.
Scribing<br>
>> has<br>
>> > never been my strong suit :)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Stefan W�hrmann <<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Hi Erika, ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> well I cannot perform that ;-( although I have an idea
what you want<br>
>> to<br>
>> >> show � but right hand up there is the horizontal line of hand
and<br>
>> lower<br>
>> >> arm - nothing that can be rest on the left palm ???****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Stefan****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]
*Im Auftrag von *Erika<br>
>> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 18:07<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *An:* <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
>> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write
the name<br>
>> of<br>
>> >> YOUR city and post to the List?<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Yes, the right hand comes to rest on top of the palm of the
left.<br>
>> Maybe<br>
>> >> I<br>
>> >> should just have shown them already in contact?****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Stefan W�hrmann <<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>>
wrote:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi Erika, ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> can you explain Kathmandu: ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> left flat hand palm up fingers to the right ( no problem)****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> right hand Index � Hand � palm facing the signer moving
down - mh<br>
>> �<br>
>> >> how to get the touch between the two hands � right hand
on top of<br>
>> the<br>
>> >> left<br>
>> >> hand ?? ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Stefan ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]
*Im Auftrag von *Erika<br>
>> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 17:18****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> *An:* <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
>> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write
the name<br>
>> of<br>
>> >> YOUR city and post to the List?****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I don't know ASL, so I don't know a sign for Detroit, Ann
Arbor, or<br>
>> >> Oberlin (my US places).****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So I'm posting the sign for Kathmandu, the city where I
learned to<br>
>> sign!<br>
>> >> *<br>
>> >> ***<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Adam Frost <<a
href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I am a West Coaster, and I must admit that people get East
Coast city<br>
>> >> signs mixed up along with our own city signs. But this is how
I<br>
>> >> personally<br>
>> >> sign the 4 commonly confused "B" cities, since I am
very picky and<br>
>> have<br>
>> >> been known to correct people at times. ;-) It seems to match
what you<br>
>> >> sign,<br>
>> >> Kim.****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Boston, Massachusetts****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Baltimore, Massachusetts****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Berkeley, California****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Burbank, California****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Adam****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Mar 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Kimberley Shaw wrote:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ** **<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi everyone:<br>
>> >> those of us in Boston, Massachusetts sign it thus:<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >> ------------------------------<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> and refer to Berkeley, CA thus:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> But some of my signing friends tell me that when you're on
the West<br>
>> >> Coast,<br>
>> >> it's the other way around!<br>
>> >> Best,<br>
>> >> Kim from Boston****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Valerie Sutton<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> SignWriting List****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> March 28, 2013****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> NAMES OF CITIES and STATES Around the World****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thank you, Ingvild, Charles and Stefan for your signs!****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I would suggest that you add your signs to the International
Sign<br>
>> >> Dictionary online:****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> SignPuddle for International Signs Dictionary****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a
href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=35****"
target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=35****</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I just copied mine for La Jolla, California from the ASL
Dictionary<br>
>> to<br>
>> >> the<br>
>> >> International Dictionary, and I hope you can do the same for
your<br>
>> signs<br>
>> >> too�<br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> And I hope more names of cities, states, countries and other<br>
>> >> international<br>
>> >> signs can be added too�****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Here is what we have so far�and I really like all four
spellings!<br>
>> Thanks<br>
>> >> to you all�****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Val ;-)****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
>> >> Oberlin College ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
>> >> Oberlin College ****<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
>> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
>> > Oberlin College<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
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> --<br>
> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
> Oberlin College<br>
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