<div dir="ltr">I see what you mean. When I first read that I think of that as the left hand. Though when I go ahead and sign it with my right I see how it makes sense...<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Charles Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">For Erica. Here is a variation on Sao Paulo. It doesn't feel right to me, but logically this is how one would write the P hand middle finger on the right hand touching the right temple. Other rotations of the P hand give one some positions that don't look right if one is working with two handed signs as the two hands don't touch when they should or the fingers don't touch the face where they need to. <br>
<br> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M27x18S14008n13xn54S30007n18xn17S206005xn28&pad=10&name=Sao%20Paulo%20%282%29">Sao Paulo<br><br>Here is my variation, which follows the Parkhurst convention, for Perfect. Sometimes you just have to write what feels right. <br>
<br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M39x38S1402010x7S14008n38xn37S2e408n27x5S26500n11xn11S20500n6xn28S140206xn34&pad=10&name=perfect%20%283%29"><br><br><br><br>Charles Butler<br>
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Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 3/29/13, Claudia S. Bianchini <i><<a href="mailto:chiadu14@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">chiadu14@GMAIL.COM</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: Claudia S. Bianchini <<a href="mailto:chiadu14@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">chiadu14@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>Subject: Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write the name of YOUR city and post to the List?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>Date: Friday, March 29, 2013, 9:30 AM<br><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello... here are my cities:</div><div>
Rome: where I was born<br>Perugia: where was my university</div><div>Modena: where I live when I'm not working<br>Paris: where I've done my PhD</div><div>Poitiers: where I work at university</div>
<div> </div></div><div><br><br><div>2013/3/29 KJ Boal <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=kjoanne403@signwriting.org" target="_blank">kjoanne403@signwriting.org</a>></span><br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-CA"><div><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">I have a few here:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Red Deer (where I currently live):<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><img src="cid:1.2901463762@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="163" width="67"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Which is in the province of Alberta:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><img src="cid:2.2901463762@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="65" width="67"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Edmonton, the capital of my province and the city where I was born:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><img src="cid:3.2901463762@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="78" width="67"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Leduc, where I really grew up; the city is near an international airport, so the sign looks like an airplane taking off:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><img src="cid:4.2901463762@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="78" width="67"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Calgary, the other major city in my province, technically has two possible signs. This is the old one, which isn’t used any more – and there’s a story behind that! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><img src="cid:5.2901463762@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="56" width="49"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">This sign refers to spurs on cowboy boots, because Calgary’s biggest claim to fame is the internationally-renowned rodeo called the Calgary Stampede. However, Edmonton and Calgary have a MAJOR rivalry – if you’re from one city, you’re expected to hate everything about the other! In the spirit of that rivalry, the Edmontonian Deaf began joking that the sign was really related to the sign for “garbage” and the Calgary was “garbage”. The Calgarian Deaf, offended, decided to change the sign.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">This is what they changed it to:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><img src="cid:6.2901463762@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="70" width="49"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Personally, I’m sorry they changed it! The original sign had more character, in my opinion. But I don’t subscribe to the rivalry between the cities . . . much. (smile) Anyway, hope that’s not too many signs all at once!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">KJ<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Valerie Sutton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 27, 2013 3:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Signs for Cities and States - can you write the name of YOUR city and post to the List?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p>SignWriting List<u></u><u></u></p><div><p>March 27, 2013<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p>Dear SW List:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Recently a Deaf guest from Ireland, Shane Gilchrist, visited us here in La Jolla, and suddenly there were Deaf friends visiting in my home, from all over San Diego!<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p>It was a lot of fun for me in particular, because I have been a bit isolated here - <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p>I learned a few signs that were new to me. One of them is the name of the city where I live, La Jolla, California.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
<div><p>The sign for La Jolla is similar to the sign for California, except the hand stays in one place while shaking… I just wrote it in the ASL SignPuddle Dictionary:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1995" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=1995</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p><img src="cid:7.2901463762@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" border="0" height="229" width="160"><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p>What is the sign for YOUR city?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p>Val ;-)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p><br>Valerie Sutton<br>SignWriting List moderator<br>
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