<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I would agree with this spelling to show the progression of the sign outward as the mouth changes, but something seems awkward as I can't read the sign as you write it. I would tend to stack the heads or show the second head after the first pair of hands and before the final reverse hands. I read down in order. I don't like to see signs getting so wide they can't fit in a box. <br><br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M47x107S36600n18xn71S14c300xn28S14c38n24xn29S2df085x10S2df10n23x10S36300n17x36S14c506x75S14c58n22x76S2f90036x75S2f900n28x73&pad=10&name=finish%20%28articulated%29"><br><br>Charles Butler<br>
chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>
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Clear writing moves business forward.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 4/10/13, Stefan Wöhrmann <i><stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE><br>Subject: AW: AW: Writing Non Manual Signals<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 6:42 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1954577201">
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">well – in this case – no problem
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">All best </span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;"> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Cherie Wren<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 11. April
2013 00:34<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">An:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: AW: Writing Non
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="4"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;">In ASL
there is a specific lexical mouth morpheme that goes with the sign
FINISH. It looks more like "fsh" than the full formal English
word. ASL does not mouth the English words, it uses the mouth for other
grammatical purposes...<br>
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cherie</span></font></p>
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<stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 10, 2013
6:15 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: Writing Non Manual
Signals</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">well you know
that I am working for more than a decade on developing/inventing a
symbolset to describe what the mouth, the lips, the tongue are doing while
performing movement as if somebody is speaking—I call this kind of symbols
“Mundbilder” So this has nothing to do with sound but only with kind of
lipreading – </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></p>
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depends on your focus. If you want to really understand exactly what the mouth
is doing I would transcribe the complete set of Mundbilder that represents the
“pronouncing” of “finish” </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">If you just
want to support the reader – who already knows what is going on looking at the
movement of the hands. And if you just want to give a hint that there is a
performance coming from the mouth as well – the informed reader will be
satisfied just to read the beginning ...</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;"> SignWriting List: Read
and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 10. April 2013
18:58<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: Writing Non Manual
Signals</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></p>
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he'll chime in, but I'm sure Stefan will be able to provide some insight, as
someone who regularly writes signs with multiple mouth movements distributed
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">If that is
the writing that you were talking about, that is one possibility of how to
write it. I would find myself trying to make it so that the mouth movements be
written with one face, but I agree with you that that isn't really possible in
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">If I were to
write this vertically, I would probably see what it looks like with the heads
stacked on top of each other because I find that vertically writing flows
better with vertical columns. Take fingerspelling for example. When the writing
is vertical, it flows better to have the fingerspelling vertical as well.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Now if this
were just by itself or with horizontal writing, I might choice to write it as
you did. I think the only difference would be that I would overlap the face
circles more, creating a Venn Diagram feel. ;-) That is actually how Stefan
writes, which I think has a lot of merit to it.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">I didn't see
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">On Apr 10,
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<p class="yiv1954577201MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Hi! I'm
working on a presentation about Non Manual Signals, particularly mouth
morphemes, and want to know if writing a mouth movement that changes during the
course of one sign as a series of connected heads is acceptable. I've attached
an example of the ASL sign for FINISH, as it appears in the phrase FINISH
EXPERIENCE (to have experienced a particular activity). Thanks, Natasha
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Assistant Professor of Anthropology<br>
Oberlin College </span></font></p>
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