<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt">In ASL there is a specific lexical mouth morpheme that goes with the sign FINISH. It looks more like "fsh" than the full formal English word. ASL does not mouth the English words, it uses the mouth for other grammatical purposes...<br><br>cherie<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:15 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: Writing Non Manual Signals<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">well you know that I am
working for more than a decade on developing/inventing a symbolset to describe
what the mouth, the lips, the tongue are doing while performing movement as if somebody
is speaking—I call this kind of symbols “Mundbilder” So this
has nothing to do with sound but only with kind of lipreading – </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">The spelling depends on
your focus. If you want to really understand exactly what the mouth is doing I
would transcribe the complete set of Mundbilder that represents the “pronouncing”
of “finish” </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">If you just want to support
the reader – who already knows what is going on looking at the movement
of the hands. And if you just want to give a hint that there is a performance
coming from the mouth as well – the informed reader will be satisfied just
to read the beginning ...</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">In this case I would write
the sign “finish” this way -- </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;"> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 10. April 2013
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SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: Writing Non Manual
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="
font-size:12.0pt;">Yes, I'm sure he'll chime in, but I'm sure Stefan will be able to
provide some insight, as someone who regularly writes signs with multiple mouth
movements distributed across linked head symbols.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="
font-size:12.0pt;">On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Adam Frost <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:frost@signwriting.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:frost@signwriting.org">frost@signwriting.org</a>>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="
font-size:12.0pt;">If that is the writing that you were talking about, that is one
possibility of how to write it. I would find myself trying to make it so that
the mouth movements be written with one face, but I agree with you that that
isn't really possible in this case. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="
font-size:12.0pt;">If I were to write this vertically, I would probably see what it looks
like with the heads stacked on top of each other because I find that vertically
writing flows better with vertical columns. Take fingerspelling for example.
When the writing is vertical, it flows better to have the fingerspelling
vertical as well.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv803075446MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="
font-size:12.0pt;">Now if this were just by itself or with horizontal writing, I might
choice to write it as you did. I think the only difference would be that I
would overlap the face circles more, creating a Venn Diagram feel. ;-) That is
actually how Stefan writes, which I think has a lot of merit to it.</span></font></div>
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font-size:12.0pt;">I didn't see an attachment, but I found this in SignPuddle. Is this
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font-size:12.0pt;">Hi! I'm working on a presentation about Non Manual Signals,
particularly mouth morphemes, and want to know if writing a mouth movement that
changes during the course of one sign as a series of connected heads is
acceptable. I've attached an example of the ASL sign for FINISH, as it appears
in the phrase FINISH EXPERIENCE (to have experienced a particular activity).
Thanks, Natasha Escalada-Westland </span></font></div>
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