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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hello sw-friends, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>well – hm –I follow this
discussion with interest. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is as Valerie
mentioned several times before. Feel free to write what you want to. ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you take a look at the
German SignPuddle you will understand that German SignLanguage (DGS) is
different from ASL. The information coming from the mouth is very important. That
is the reason that I defined the meaning of several “mouthgesture –symbols”
And as you may know Fernando in Brazil writes these symbols the same way. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I prefer to write the
headcircles from left to write – no matter what the direcetion of writing is
(top down or horizontally) – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I experimented myself a
lot with different kinds of Mundbildern. I even tried out mouthsymbols without
any headcircles !!!! In the end I feel most comfortable with overlapping
headcircles and one Mundbild within one headcircle. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Just my two cents,<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Stefan</span></font><span
lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
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SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Adam Frost<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>G</span></b></span></font><b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>esendet:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Samstag,
13. April 2013 23:30<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Writing Non Manual
Signals</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree that having the mouth symbols stacked on top of each other like
that does see odd, but maybe that would be just fine enough for reading without
taking up so much space to have multiple head circles. I think it is something
worth experimenting with to see if it would work alright or not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Apr 13, 2013, at 1:44 PM, KJ Boal wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Hi everyone,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Having both mouth
symbols in one head symbol is an interesting idea, but I personally didn’t care
for it. The top mouth looked like a moustache to me. I did like the
other two writings; but if I had to pick one it would be Adam’s, just because
of the way he used the top-off head to stack the head symbols. Both
ending mouths made sense to me.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Just my two cents,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>KJ<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Valerie
Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:37 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: Writing Non Manual Signals<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'>April 13, 2013<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Natasha and Adam and Stefan and all…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I like all the methods shown - and of course your work
with Mouth Movements, Stefan is truly wonderful … <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regarding writing down in vertical columns, I agree
that the feeling of the changing mouth movements feels like it should be
written down, since the reading of the entire document is going down…and
likewise, when reading a document from left to right, writing the changing facial
expressions from left to right makes sense for the reading direction…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I like Natasha's writing of the sign for FINISH and
Adam's too…it is true that when we use the Head symbol with the top off the top
of the head, it gives us a way to place one face over the other in an
interesting stack - to find that symbol, go to the Heads, and under the first
group in Heads is a Head Symbol that does not have the top on, so we can stack
more facial features into one Head symbol…Adam used that to superimpose one head
on the other in his example below…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'>And all the Facial Expressions are listed on this page
as Adam said:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="http://www.signbank.org/iswa/cat_4.html">http://www.signbank.org/iswa/cat_4.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'> - just click on the Group name and it will list
all the facial expression and head symbols with names and ID numbers...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now, below I have placed an idea...this is only an
experiment - I have never shared this with anyone before, but what about the
idea of stacking mouth symbols within one head symbol? It may look ridiculous
and I will not mind if you tell me so! (smile)…take a look at this idea
attached…the Head Circle without the top on it, would be a requirement so we
know we are stacking Facial features…we would know that those are two Mouth
Positions stacked within one Head Circle, because the top of the Head circle is
not there - this would only work for two positions or maybe three at the most -<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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