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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Thank you. The reason I wrote the neutral first and the tense last, is that this is the way it feels when articulating. As I said, this is not a word.Maybe my rendering of the lip reading is faulty.<br><br>Ingvild
<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:59:58 +0200<br>From: stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE<br>Subject: AW: Writing Non Manual Signals<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">Hi Ingvild, </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">if you are interested in
the way I would write your „bam“ </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;" lang="EN-GB">All best </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;"> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Ingvild Roald<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 15. April 2013
00:00<br>
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SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Betreff:</span></b> Re: Writing Non Manual
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">Hello Adam and all,<br>
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I know there are 'bite' symbols (#), clattering-of-teeth and wagging-of-tounge
symbols, and moving of chin-symbols. I cannot find any symbols for simply
opening or closin of mouth<br>
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<img id="ecx_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M104x74S36400n103xn69S36410n100xn19S36420n101x39S35f10n15xn71S35f20n16xn20S3680062xn73S3690059xn18" height="32" width="32"><br>
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As for the ide of only one mouth, do you think along these lines? Are these
arrows the ones you would suggest for the opening/closing? <br>
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<img id="ecx_x0000_i1026" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M32x85S33b00n28xn17S10040n7x36S2f90020x49S23100n11x68S2f73020x27S15a48n25x38S3681011x0S3681421x5" height="32" width="32"><br>
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Ingvild </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:47:19
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From: icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM<br>
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals<br>
To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">There are movement symbols for the mouth in the ISWA. I
always have to do some searching for them because they are only visible on the
lowest levels, but I know they are there because I remember doing them for the
SVGs. *grin*</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">In any case, I don't think that the movement symbols are
needed because you have the positions. (I personally like the three over the
two because it feels like there should be three mouthing positions.) I also
don't think you need to have the double fast symbol for the mouth and hands. I
think one is enough. </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">There is an idea, however, to use only one mouth and have
the up-down movement symbol to show the opening and closing. </span></font></p>
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On Apr 14, 2013, at 1:24 PM, "Ingvild Roald" <<a href="mailto:iroald@HOTMAIL.COM">iroald@HOTMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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I used the small arrowheads for opening and closing, even if I know that they
are ment for knucles. Full double stemmed arrows did not seem to fit. Those
used here are for movement of chin:<br>
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<img id="ecx_x0000_i1028" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M39x99S2f73024x72S34c00n23xn30S2ff10n23x1S2f73027xn4S35310n11x17S15a48n20x50S10040n2x48S23100n6x80S2f90024x94S3681016xn11S3681416x9" border="0" height="32" width="32"><br>
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Actually, I do not know if we do have a convention for writing opening or
closing of the mouth - I know we do have for moving the lips in or out. If we
do not have such a convention, I would like to propose that we use the same
symbols as we use for the opening/ closing of the knucles, as I did in this
writing:<br>
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<img id="ecx_x0000_i1029" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS10040S23100S2f730S2f900S15a48S34c00S22200S22204S35310S2ff10S2f730M41x99S2220424x20S2220025xn12S2ff10n18x1S2f73024xn3S35310n6x17S15a48n15x50S100403x48S23100n1x80S2f90029x94S2f73029x72S34c00n18xn30&pad=10&name=BAM" border="0" height="32" width="32"><br>
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The movement of the mouth, very fast opening-closing, goes in step with the
movement of the rigt hand - very fast down-up. <br>
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Is the writng with two mouth symbols more clear than the writng with three
mouth symbols?<br>
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<img id="ecx_x0000_i1030" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=AS10040S23100S2f730S2f900S15a48S33b00S22200S2ff10S34c10S22204S2ff10S35310S2f730M42x109S33b00n19xn41S2ff10n19xn11S2ff10n17x12S34c10n3x1S35310n5x28S15a48n14x61S100504x59S231000x91S2f90030x104S2f73030x83S2f73026xn2S2220022xn17S2220425x29&pad=10&name=BAM!!!" border="0" height="32" width="32"><br>
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Ingvild </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:13:55 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals<br>
To: <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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SignWriting List</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">Thank you for trying two Mouth Positions rather than
three. I prefer the two Mouth Positions, if I have understood it correctly,
that there are two arrows for the hand movement …one going down and then up
again. When I read this, I assume that the first open Mouth Position goes with
the first movement of the hand, and the second Mouth Position happens on the
second movement of the hand - this way I know what is happening during the
movement…so this works for me as a reader - Does this seem correct to you?</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">I have another question…Near the Mouth Positions you have
a Very-Fast symbol - the Double Fast Symbol - which is clear to me - but what
do the little symbols mean below and above the Double Fast symbol? The slender
little arrowheads that point up and down? Are they necessary and what do they
represent related to Mouth Positions?</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">Val ;-)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">On Apr 14, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Ingvild Roald <<a href="mailto:iroald@HOTMAIL.COM">iroald@HOTMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;">Trying with just two mouth symbols<br>
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<img id="ecx_x0000_i1032" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=AS10040S23100S2f730S2f900S15a48S34c00S22200S22204S35310S2ff10S2f730M41x99S2220424x20S2220025xn12S2ff10n18x1S2f73024xn3S35310n6x17S15a48n15x50S100403x48S23100n1x80S2f90029x94S2f73029x72S34c00n18xn30" border="0" height="32" width="32"><br>
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Of course, the convention states 'opening to written configuration, closing to
written configuration', so the starting configuration is not strictly necessary<br>
Personally, I do not think this is as clear - but less work.<br>
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Ingvild<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;">Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:42:50 -0700<br>
From:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals<br>
To:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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SignWriting List</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;">I like it too, Ingvild - and I like the way you and Adam
are stacking the heads using the head with the open top to make the stack look
like one on top of the other -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;">I do have one question - why the need for three mouth
symbols? could you write the same mouth movement with two symbols instead
of three?</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;">It is fine - just curious if the straight mouth is
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Calibri;">On Apr 13, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I like it. It will be a challenge to teach. I had a
task including head nods to indicate sentence breaks in one of the articles I
had transcribed.<br>
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Charles Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
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--- On<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sat, 4/13/13, Ingvild Roald<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><i><span style="font-style:italic;"><<a href="mailto:iroald@HOTMAIL.COM">iroald@HOTMAIL.COM</a>></span></i></span></b><span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</span></font></p>
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From: Ingvild Roald <<a href="mailto:iroald@HOTMAIL.COM">iroald@HOTMAIL.COM</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals<br>
To:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
Date: Saturday, April 13, 2013, 6:28 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Hi all,<br>
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I liked the way to stack face circles - now I have retried to write a sign
that I did try a while ago to get response to.<br>
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<img id="ecx_x0000_i1034" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=AS10040S23100S2f730S2f900S15a48S33b00S22200S2ff10S34c10S22204S2ff10S35310S2f730M42x109S33b00n19xn41S2ff10n19xn11S2ff10n17x12S34c10n3x1S35310n5x28S15a48n14x61S100404x59S231000x91S2f90030x104S2f73030x83S2f73026xn2S2220022xn17S2220425x29" border="0" height="32" width="32"><br>
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This sign is done very fast, and the right hand has some force in the
movement. The sign means something like 'imediately', 'speedily', 'at
once', 'suddenly', 'NOW!'.<br>
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I wonder if this is readable?<br>
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Ingvild<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:37:12 -0700<br>
From:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals<br>
To:<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Hi Natasha and Adam and Stefan and all…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I like all the methods shown - and of course your
work with Mouth Movements, Stefan is truly wonderful … </span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Regarding writing down in vertical columns, I agree
that the feeling of the changing mouth movements feels like it should be
written down, since the reading of the entire document is going down…and
likewise, when reading a document from left to right, writing the changing
facial expressions from left to right makes sense for the reading direction…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I like Natasha's writing of the sign for FINISH and
Adam's too…it is true that when we use the Head symbol with the top off the
top of the head, it gives us a way to place one face over the other in an
interesting stack - to find that symbol, go to the Heads, and under the first
group in Heads is a Head Symbol that does not have the top on, so we can
stack more facial features into one Head symbol…Adam used that to superimpose
one head on the other in his example below…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">And all the Facial Expressions are listed on this
page as Adam said:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> - just click on the Group name and it will
list all the facial expression and head symbols with names and ID numbers...</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Now, below I have placed an idea...this is only an
experiment - I have never shared this with anyone before, but what about the
idea of stacking mouth symbols within one head symbol? It may look ridiculous
and I will not mind if you tell me so! (smile)…take a look at this idea
attached…the Head Circle without the top on it, would be a requirement so we
know we are stacking Facial features…we would know that those are two Mouth
Positions stacked within one Head Circle, because the top of the Head circle
is not there - this would only work for two positions or maybe three at the
most -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">It kind of looks silly, but fun to experiment with
new ideas - it is a way to consolidate two Facial Circles into one - what do
you think?</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Val ;-)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">The best page that we have at the moment is <a href="http://www.signbank.org/iswa/" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/iswa/</a>.
This is a page of all of the symbols in the ISWA broken up into categories,
groups, and then individual symbols. There is only a short description of
each symbol. It isn't the best, but it is thorough.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Now that you mentioned about the mouth movements, I
looked at it more closely. I think you want to have the finishing mouth to be
protruded open mouth rather than a slightly tighter open mouth, which makes
the wrinkles that the lines around represent. In that case, I think the final
mouth should be this:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I did a little playing with overlapping the heads
and noticed that the overlapping couldn't occur very well without covering up
the above mouthing symbol. Then I remembered that there were
"topless" head circles, so I decided to try it out and see what
happens. What do you all think about this?</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Hi Everyone,<br>
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I (think) I attached a writing of the sign "finish" with vertical
heads. I like the<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>
simplicity of showing the initial handshape with movement only. What do
you<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>
think?<br>
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Also, is there a lesson page that describes or shows pictures of all the face
and<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>
mouth symbols available in the SignMaker on SignPuddle? I'm not sure
what some<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>
of the symbols represent. There is an older, online set of written
lessons I have<span class="ecxapple-converted-space"> </span><br>
found, but it doesn't include everything available in the SignMaker pallette.<br>
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Thanks!<br>
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Natasha Escalada-Westland</span></font></p>
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