<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt">third group, 9th sign-- the R with thumb extended--  I have been racking my brain trying to find a sign that uses that.  Then I though, Duh... and did a symbol search in the American signpuddle, found all of one match, and that was a name sign.  How do you evaluate whether that is truly necessary?  Many people are "thumb signers" ---meaning they lazily leave the thumb sticking out even when it is not part of the sign/handshape.  There are "pinky signers" too.  <br><br>This is just my first read thru, and looked mostly at what is NOT a regular ASL handshape.  That is the only one I questioned at all.  I'll give it some more study to see if there is anything missing from the list...  that is harder!  Did you look at Stokoe's work to see what handshapes he included as required in
 ASL?<br><br>cherie<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">  <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">  <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 21, 2013 10:27 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Handshapes used in ASL<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0984195697"><div>I have been looking at the Symbol Frequency in SignPuddle to see what handshapes would truly be necessary in ASL. What I did was I added
 symbols with high frequency automatically and then looked at the handshapes that had a low number to judge if the signs written could be written with or with a different symbol from my personal experience. Below is the list that I have come up with. I was quite amazed that there were only 83. Are there any handshapes that you feel I might have errorously ignored or overzealously added?<div><br></div><div>Adam<br><div><br></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-001-01-01-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-002-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-006-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-007-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img
 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-01-011-01-02-01&color=000000"></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-02-001-01-01-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-02-003-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-02-008-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-02-011-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-02-012-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-02-013-01-02-01&color=000000"></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-001-01-01-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-004-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img
 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-005-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-007-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-011-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-012-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-016-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-021-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-022-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-027-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-03-034-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img
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 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-034-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-036-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-038-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-043-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-050-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-053-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-055-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-05-058-01-02-01&color=000000"></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-001-01-01-01&color=000000"> <img
 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-002-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-006-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-007-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-008-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-013-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-021-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-022-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-023-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-024-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img
 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-06-027-01-02-01&color=000000"> </div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-07-002-01-02-01&color=000000"></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-08-002-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-08-010-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-08-012-01-02-01&color=000000"></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-002-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-008-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-016-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img
 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-020-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-021-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-026-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-030-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-031-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-032-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-033-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-035-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-036-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img
 src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-09-040-01-02-01&color=000000"></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-10-001-01-01-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-10-002-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-10-003-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-10-005-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-10-007-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-10-015-01-02-01&color=000000"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/symbol.php?sss=01-10-016-01-02-01&color=000000"></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div>   </div></body></html>