<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hello Charles,<br><br></div>your sign GANGORRA I see similar movement, but probably there you need movement of the trunk.<br></div>Did you constructed the movement in sign PROFUNDO? I think that the rounded part of movement shoul be written in single-line-arrow.<br>
</div>But I am sorry, this is not the spiral I need.<br><br></div><div>thank you,<br></div>Honza<br><div><br><br><div><div><div class=""><div id=":2id" class="" tabindex="0"><img class="" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif"></div>
</div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 May 2013 09:17, Honza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:honza@ruce.cz" target="_blank">honza@ruce.cz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hello Charles,<br><br></div>your sign GANGORRA I see similar movement, but probably there you need movement of the trunk.<br>
</div>Did you constructed the movement in sign PROFUNDO<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 May 2013 13:38, Charles Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div><span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/edit?ns=1&video_id=YoFRKW2IUNs" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/edit?ns=1&video_id=YoFRKW2IUNs</a></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
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<img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M78x17S20500n5xn11S115528xn17S1155an39xn16S3790638xn10S37906n78xn9S2310845x0S23118n68xn1&pad=10&name=gangorra"></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Possible spiral down - profundo<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M18x67S10004n31x37S30a00n18xn17S24d0cn12x29&pad=10&name=profundo"></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M13x29S25704n7xn13S2ea02n12xn28&pad=10&name=spiral%20movimento%20a%20baixo%20e%20depois">Spiral out and down<br>
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<br></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br><a href="tel:240-764-5748" value="+12407645748" target="_blank">240-764-5748</a><br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
</div> <div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Honza <<a href="mailto:honza@RUCE.CZ" target="_blank">honza@RUCE.CZ</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:19 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Elbow movement and some details<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello everyone, <br><br></div><div></div><div>Val I know, there is spiral upward movement arrow, but I don't know why, forward spiral is not included in ISWA.<br>
Adam thanks for constructing spiral forward movement.<br>
</div><div>Adam and Charles, I think your elbow movement will work for me as well, but I am not sure if it is clear enought, that it is not hand but elbow movement.<br><br></div><div>Charles, please could you share movie of SeeSaw sign? Thanks.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Honza<br></div></div><div><br><br><div>On 14 May 2013 17:30, Valerie Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" target="_blank">signwriting@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>SignWriting List<div>May 14, 2013</div><div><br></div></div><div>I think your attempt looks great, Adam -<div>
<br></div><div>It can be constructed nicely thank goodness -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-----</div><div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 14, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Adam Frost <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I, personally would see 1, 2, and 3 as loops because the movement is in a "line" or all on one plane, the wall or the floor for example. Spirals have a circular movement that travels rather than staying stationary. That would be like #4. The current ISWA does not have this same movement forward, so it has to be constructed. Here is my attempt.<div>
<br></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&bound=t&ksw=M12x33S26800n7xn32S29003n11x5S266300x11S29003n11xn20"></div><div><br></div><div>Would this work for you Honza?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On May 14, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">SignWriting List<div>May 14, 2013</div><div><br></div>
<div>For me, the term Spiral means a traveling circle…</div><div><br></div><div>Here are the three Spirals in the ISWA 2010:</div><div><br></div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
</div></div></div><br><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div><br></div><div>1. Spiral Traveling Up parallel with the Wall Plane</div>
<div>2. Spiral Traveling Forward parallel with the Floor Plane</div><div>3. Spiral Traveling to the Side parallel with the Floor Plane</div><div><br></div><div>Then there is a fourth symbol:</div><div><br></div><div></div>
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<div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Other than these four symbols, you will need to write a separate Circle symbol and combine it with other arrows, if you want something that is different than these pre-composed symbols -</div>
<div><br></div><div>So I am curious…what do other Spirals look like?</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>--------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 14, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Honza <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:honza@ruce.cz" target="_blank">honza@ruce.cz</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Adam and Val for your comments.<br><br></div>1 - I mean the elbow movement you can see in attached video.<br></div>4 - Adam, you are right, I mean forward spiral movement, that is different from the movement Val shown.<br>
<br></div>Thanks <br></div>Honza<br></div><div><br><br><div>On 13 May 2013 17:58, Adam Frost <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Here are some replies from me below.<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>
<div>On May 13, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Honza wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hello Val,<br><br>I have some specific question: <br><ol><li>Is there way how to write down movement of an elbow? Maybe it is possible to use some "neutral" arrows for that somehow.</li>
</ol></div></blockquote></div><div>What type of movement of the elbow are you talking about? Can you show us what you mean?</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><ol start="2">
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As you know, in Puddle there are two rub symbols. One "left" and one "right". Is there any difference in the direction of movements?</li></ol></div></blockquote></div><div>I guess in theory you could say there is a difference following the rotation of the curl, but most people don't really pay attention to that detail and only choice one. </div>
<div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><ol start="3"><li>I am not sure about using (( alternating lines. I don't see any way where this can be useful, due all information are included in movement arrows.</li>
</ol></div></blockquote></div><div>You are absolutely correct. That is the reason that I don't usually use most of the timing symbols because the movement arrows already tell me that information, but there are some people who feel that repetition of information is needed and therefore use it.</div>
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<li>Is there easy way how to write down circular+forward movement?<br></li></ol></div></blockquote></div><div>I know that Val replied already, but are you talking about a forward looping movement (which would be what Val showed) or are you talking about a forward spiral movement?</div>
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