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    Honduran sign language does the numbers always on one hand only. But
    we decided to go with the movement symbols as will be easier for
    people new to SignWriting or Honduran Sign Language.<br>
    <br>
    Jonathan<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/29/2013 12:58 PM, Adam Frost
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>I would say it is the commonality of the language. Basically,
        if two handiness of that fashion is common in the language, then
        I would suggest keeping the movement symbols. I know that some
        sign languages do use "2" on the left and "5" on the right to
        mean 25. For those languages, just having a progression of hand
        symbols to mean one hand might not be good. That's why I wrote
        various ways since it is up to the language users to determine
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      <div>Adam</div>
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        On May 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, "Charles Butler" <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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            <div><span>Feedback, as a 10 (fist) has no handedness in
                this rotation, how can one presume that this is a
                one-handed sign when one only sees it in isolation. <br>
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                me, without the rotation, I can't be sure that it is not
                a left-handed 10 and a right-handed 6.</span></div>
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                it solely the closeness of the handshapes? <br>
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            <div>Charles Butler<br>
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              240-764-5748<br>
              Clear writing moves business forward.<br>
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                        style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                    Valerie Sutton <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a
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                      href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>
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                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                    Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:40 PM<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                    Re: Honduran numbers 11 through 19<br>
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                    <div>SignWriting List
                      <div>May 29, 2013</div>
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                      <div>Hello Jonathan and Adam!</div>
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                      <div>Thank you, Jonathan, for your postings and
                        questions, and thank you, Adam for this
                        excellent feedback…</div>
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                      <div>I agree with Adam, and could not have
                        explained it better - this is really good to see
                        the different possible ways of writing the same
                        sign.</div>
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                      <div>The third and fourth examples that Adam
                        shows, without rotation symbols, but just
                        showing the positions, is easier to read for
                        many people…</div>
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                      <div>Simple writing is a wonderful thing…Years ago
                        we used to write the ASL numbers with more
                        symbols, but now we tend to just write
                        positions…</div>
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                      <div>Also, Jonathan, it appears that your
                        export/import from SignWriter Studio to
                        SignPuddle came in as SignText documents, rather
                        than individual signs as if they were written in
                        SignMaker, so the SignWriter Studio program
                        seems to be exporting and importing text
                        documents even when they are dictionary entries?
                        Something to think about from a programming
                        perspective -</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>I will look at the other signs too later
                        today -</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Thanks for posting questions to the List -
                        keep posting as much as you need to!</div>
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                      <div>Val ;-)</div>
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                      <div>------</div>
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                          <div>On May 29, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Adam Frost
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                              couldn't view your attachments, but I was
                              able to look in SignPuddle and find what
                              you were referring to. I wrote 11 and 16
                              with a could of examples each. The first
                              is how I would positions the symbols with
                              the one that you had written with respect
                              to the movement arrows. Even though the
                              rotation arrows mean no traveling, the
                              beginning and ending hands should be
                              placed at the beginning and ending of the
                              arrow as best as can be done. The second
                              example is the same thing except I use a
                              different movement symbol which makes it
                              so that the beginning and ending read left
                              to right. Since the movements are both the
                              same, I have found that it is easier for
                              people who are used to reading from left
                              to right to read. The last two examples
                              are using the idea of "fingerspelling" in
                              that the change in palm orientation and
                              handshape are enough to know what the
                              in-between movements are. The first one is
                              for horizontal writing and the last one is
                              for vertical writing. I personally like
                              the last example best. ;-)
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                                  <div>On May 29, 2013, at 8:04 AM,
                                    Jonathan Duncan wrote:</div>
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                                          a Deaf friend and me are
                                      entering some signs into to
                                      Honduras Puddle,  we are writing
                                      the signs in SignWriter Studio
                                      then putting them up on the
                                      puddle. <br>
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                                          The  audience will be is a
                                      hearing people who are new to sign
                                      language and SignWriting and Deaf
                                      new to SignWriting. Also latter we
                                      will be adding some signs that are
                                      not used in all parts of Honduras
                                      so we need them to be readable by
                                      the Deaf that are seeing the sign
                                      for the first time too. We are
                                      trying to balance between writing
                                      in a way that is clear to people
                                      who have never seen the sign
                                      before and writing simply (without
                                      many symbols) so that it will be
                                      easy to write them the same way by
                                      hand.<br>
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                                      Please feel free to look through
                                      the puddle and let us know if
                                      anything is writing in way that
                                      looks wrong or that can't be
                                      performed or alternate writings. 
                                      We will be asking a few questions
                                      on some that we are feeling unsure
                                      about<br>
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                                      These are numbers eleven through
                                      fifteen.  The fist twisting inward
                                      showing the palm of the hand.<br>
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                                  These are numbers sixteen through
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