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Honduran sign language does the numbers always on one hand only. But
we decided to go with the movement symbols as will be easier for
people new to SignWriting or Honduran Sign Language.<br>
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Jonathan<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/29/2013 12:58 PM, Adam Frost
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<div>I would say it is the commonality of the language. Basically,
if two handiness of that fashion is common in the language, then
I would suggest keeping the movement symbols. I know that some
sign languages do use "2" on the left and "5" on the right to
mean 25. For those languages, just having a progression of hand
symbols to mean one hand might not be good. That's why I wrote
various ways since it is up to the language users to determine
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On May 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, "Charles Butler" <<a
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<div><span>Feedback, as a 10 (fist) has no handedness in
this rotation, how can one presume that this is a
one-handed sign when one only sees it in isolation. <br>
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me, without the rotation, I can't be sure that it is not
a left-handed 10 and a right-handed 6.</span></div>
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it solely the closeness of the handshapes? <br>
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<div>Charles Butler<br>
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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:40 PM<br>
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Re: Honduran numbers 11 through 19<br>
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<div>Hello Jonathan and Adam!</div>
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<div>Thank you, Jonathan, for your postings and
questions, and thank you, Adam for this
excellent feedback…</div>
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<div>I agree with Adam, and could not have
explained it better - this is really good to see
the different possible ways of writing the same
sign.</div>
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<div>The third and fourth examples that Adam
shows, without rotation symbols, but just
showing the positions, is easier to read for
many people…</div>
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<div>Simple writing is a wonderful thing…Years ago
we used to write the ASL numbers with more
symbols, but now we tend to just write
positions…</div>
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<div>Also, Jonathan, it appears that your
export/import from SignWriter Studio to
SignPuddle came in as SignText documents, rather
than individual signs as if they were written in
SignMaker, so the SignWriter Studio program
seems to be exporting and importing text
documents even when they are dictionary entries?
Something to think about from a programming
perspective -</div>
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<div>I will look at the other signs too later
today -</div>
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<div>Thanks for posting questions to the List -
keep posting as much as you need to!</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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couldn't view your attachments, but I was
able to look in SignPuddle and find what
you were referring to. I wrote 11 and 16
with a could of examples each. The first
is how I would positions the symbols with
the one that you had written with respect
to the movement arrows. Even though the
rotation arrows mean no traveling, the
beginning and ending hands should be
placed at the beginning and ending of the
arrow as best as can be done. The second
example is the same thing except I use a
different movement symbol which makes it
so that the beginning and ending read left
to right. Since the movements are both the
same, I have found that it is easier for
people who are used to reading from left
to right to read. The last two examples
are using the idea of "fingerspelling" in
that the change in palm orientation and
handshape are enough to know what the
in-between movements are. The first one is
for horizontal writing and the last one is
for vertical writing. I personally like
the last example best. ;-)
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<div> Hi list,<br>
a Deaf friend and me are
entering some signs into to
Honduras Puddle, we are writing
the signs in SignWriter Studio
then putting them up on the
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The audience will be is a
hearing people who are new to sign
language and SignWriting and Deaf
new to SignWriting. Also latter we
will be adding some signs that are
not used in all parts of Honduras
so we need them to be readable by
the Deaf that are seeing the sign
for the first time too. We are
trying to balance between writing
in a way that is clear to people
who have never seen the sign
before and writing simply (without
many symbols) so that it will be
easy to write them the same way by
hand.<br>
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Please feel free to look through
the puddle and let us know if
anything is writing in way that
looks wrong or that can't be
performed or alternate writings.
We will be asking a few questions
on some that we are feeling unsure
about<br>
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These are numbers eleven through
fifteen. The fist twisting inward
showing the palm of the hand.<br>
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nineteen. The fist twisting outward
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