<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><span style="font-style: italic;">More on this question of <span style="font-weight: bold;">parallel handshapes in fist and circle. <br><br>Minimal pairs in Libras. Here are cidade with a fist (by Brazilian Deaf transcribers) and cidade with a circle (by SIL observers). <br><br><br><br></span></span><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Charles Butler <chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:36 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Question for ASL SignWriters..<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>
<div id="yiv98757460"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;">Has there been any discussion in the ASL literature on visual "homographs" where the 1 handshape and the D handshape are the same "meaning" in usage, like the 2 on a circle or a fist? <br><br><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br></div> <div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Cherie Wren <cwterp@YAHOO.COM><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:56 PM<br> <b><span style="
font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Question for ASL SignWriters..<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv98757460y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv98757460"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;">I can see the pictures fine, and yes, you could substitute the square base, it would be closer to how I sign it, personally; hand more like a fist than like an open circle.<br><br>cherie<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> maria galea <signwriting.maria@GMAIL.COM><br> <b><span
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SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:22 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Question for ASL SignWriters..<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv98757460y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv98757460"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear friends,<br>,<br></div>I located these two signs from the ASL Literatuer Puddle<br></div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M29x22S15a07n29xn22S10f51n20x1S27e0c6xn8"> and <img
src="data:image/png;base64,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" alt=""></div>
<div><br><br><br></div><div>I'm sorry i have no idea what these signs mean, since I don't sign ASL - however from context I kinda assume the first means READ the second something like KNOWN-AS-IN-ENGLISH /QUOTE- however my question doesn't concern their meaning as such. My question is this:<br>
Can these two signs still be read if you change the handshape to thjs handshape instead: <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M8x15S10e20n7xn15"> (naturally with the rotation needed for the first sign)<br>
<br></div><div>Really appreciate your feedback!<br></div><div><br></div><div>THANK you!! :)<br>maria<br></div><div><br><br></div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>