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Hi Val!<br>
<br>
Thanks for the explanation on the position of contact. Reading it
now makes a lot more sense than it did when I started signwriting a
while ago. Thanks for refreshing the concept. I will go over the
signs I've written and the very few I uploaded to the puddle.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:518926B0-8A5C-4169-9C0E-9C6CC1882D79@mac.com"
type="cite">
<div>I just received a message from Madson explaining that the
Logo actually is not meant to show contact…as I suspected, the
sign can be signed with or without contact and is clear and
correct either way (see Madson's message below). So your
confusion was understandable…if you thought that was showing
contact - the hands are actually some space apart and are meant
to be that way:</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Ok, now the sign makes sense to me. He had written:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>We remove touch star on all signs that have just one
contact</div>
<div>and hands are already close enough to show that they are in
contact,</div>
<div>include our logo for <i>Libras Escrita</i>.</div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
That's what confused me, it was as if that removal of the touch star
had been a result of the simplification, meaning that the contact
was still there.<br>
<br>
Madson then mentions the simplification of the book sign, note how
the star goes but the hands remain at the same distance:<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part1.05090709.04090804@gmail.com" alt="Imagem inline
3" height="160" width="200"><br>
<br>
See the difference with your simplification of house?<br>
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<img apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes"
id="41542b0d-589f-459b-b7ad-0d13d8de81b6"
src="cid:part2.09060003.01030100@gmail.com" height="140"
width="323"><br>
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The star was removed, but the hands are now closer.<br>
<br>
Couldn't we have a "best practice" kind of advice, not to simply
remove the star, but also to make obvious that the hands touch by
either overlapping or bringing them really close together? Just as
you did with "house"? For "book" (in Libras) it would be something
like you also did for Book (ASL), the hands are really close.<br>
<br>
<img alt="" src="cid:part3.03080108.07080906@gmail.com" height="74"
width="70"><br>
<br>
Maybe it depends on who are we writing for. I think SW is great for,
among other things, helping hearing and deaf people communicate,
giving hearing people more tools to learn SL.<br>
<br>
But if a certain SW text or document is meant to be used mainly by
SL speakers, then it might be ok for a dictionary to have the
simplified "book" sign in Libras, as it is now, with the hands
apart. I just think it's a pity, because I guess that bringing
those two hands together, as you did in the ASL sign, would not slow
down deaf readers and would be a lot clearer for the rest of us.
It's just a couple of pixels, but semantically (and not just for
humans) it is very important.<br>
<br>
Time will tell ...<br>
<br>
I love SW! Eduardo.<br>
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