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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/14/2013 10:21 AM, Valerie Sutton
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<div>Hello Bill!</div>
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<div>Thank you for your great response to my question about
terminology…the question was…what is the difference between the
terms Online, Internet, and Web?</div>
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<div> I really appreciate your point that the terminologies
overlap … recently I have had three different people ask me if
we will have a course online …and meanwhile, we already have web
pages - Those are html pages in a browser - that teach
SignWriting. But I suspect they mean an "interactive course
online" where they can post on a bulletin board to ask the
teacher questions and so forth…</div>
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<div>And I love your paragraph below where you end in a smiley
face ;-) Got it? Ha! </div>
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<div>I think what you are saying is that since all the
terminologies are starting to overlap, and since even PDF files
do not have to be downloaded now to be read in a web browser or
an e-book reading device, that maybe the term "online" and
"offline" are good "catch-alls"" - and I agree - </div>
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<div>except one day I thought I could use those two terms to
describe SignPuddle Online and SignPuddle "Offline" for the
PersonalPuddle software that can be used without an internet
connection…but Steve pointed out to me that SignPuddle is run on
a server, even when it is not connected to the internet, so the
term Offline was not really right and instead we could use the
term "Desktop" - and that is fine with me, but there will be a
day when SignPuddle will be able to be used for writing signs,
on an iPhone…Does an iPhone or an iPad or other kinds of tablets
and phones have a desktop? Or are they always online?</div>
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Hi Val, <br>
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My understanding of Web fits with the definition of web page when
talking in the context of "web applications" or "web pages". It
does not define whether it is online or not.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_page">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_page</a><br>
A <b>web page</b> (or <b>webpage</b>) is a <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_document" title="Web
document">web document</a> that is suitable for the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web" title="World
Wide Web">World Wide Web</a> and the <i><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser" title="Web
browser">web browser</a></i>.<br>
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This is typically an html page wether the file extension is .htm,
.html, .php, .asp. .aspx, .jsp etc.<br>
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Whereas Web can also mean the systems of linked web pages on the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web" title="World
Wide Web">World Wide Web</a> on web servers whose domains usually
but not always starts with www in the context of Internet as a
network.<br>
So "on the web" to me would mean that you need an Internet
connection to access it.<br>
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In the programming world there are three kinds of apps for phones
and tablets.<br>
Native Mobile Apps<br>
These could be considered analogous to "Desktop" on a computer. It
installs on the device and can be used even when internet is not
available. It is developed for a specific platform either IPhone,
Android etc. and has access to the files and other hardware on the
device. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/definition/native-application-native-app">http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/definition/native-application-native-app</a><br>
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Mobile Web Apps<br>
Web sites made specially to be used on a mobile device hosted on the
Internet. Usually work on most mobile platforms. Can only be used
when an internet connection is available. Cannot access the local
files.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/definition/Web-application-Web-app">http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/definition/Web-application-Web-app</a><br>
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Hybrid App<br>
A web application that is hosted the device and can access the
device's files. Can be used even if an internet connection is not
available. Has access to the local files.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/definition/hybrid-application-hybrid-app">http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/definition/hybrid-application-hybrid-app</a><br>
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Sometimes it depends on how you are classifying things. Whether
from a network or non-network perspective or from a web browser
non-web browser perspective.<br>
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<td valign="top"><b>web browser</b></td>
<td valign="top"><b>non web browser</b></td>
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<td valign="top"><b>network </b></td>
<td valign="top">Web (Like SignPuddle), online, Internet, "on
the web", Mobile Web App<br>
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<td valign="top"><br>
</td>
</tr>
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<td valign="top"><b>non network </b></td>
<td valign="top">Web (Like Personal Puddle), offline, Hybrid
App<br>
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<td valign="top">Desktop, Native Mobile App<br>
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Jonathan<br>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Aug 12, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Bill Reese <<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> All good questions,
Val. I'd pick: all of the above. :-)<br>
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Really, though, many of the terminologies overlap. When
you say that something is on the Web, it's on the
Internet. The Web is part of the Internet. Most people
tend to associate the Web with browser pages. It gets a
bit complicated, however, as browsers can now access other
than just HTML. PHP runs in a web page (accessible in the
browser) and you can even use plugins in browsers to
access other parts of the internet, like IRC. You can
directly access FTP pages now through the browser. That
tends to muddy just what is the Web.<br>
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"Online" is usually used when there's a corresponding
offline. For instance, an online file is accessible over
the internet, but an offline file would be on your
computer that only you can access.<br>
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Now to answer your questions specifically:<br>
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A document "on the web" is not the same as "reading a
document online." Documents come in all formats and
sizes and some need to be downloaded and opened with
special software. When you read something online that
usually means there is control of the document online so
that you don't download it to read it. You stream it from
the server as you read. It may even not end up on your
computer but goes poof after you read it. E-readers come
to mind.<br>
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An online course is the same as a course on the web or a
course on the internet. They're interchangeable because
you have to access the internet for all three and almost
all courses are accessed through a browser. While it's
possible to have a course through IRC or other chat
protocol (skype?), it's usually not referred to as an
online course.<br>
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As to a document in SignPuddle Online, that's a document
that's being accessed through a Web app (PHP) using the
browser and so would be more limited than just any ol'
file on the Internet. I'd tend to technically say that's
a "web document" but who says that? Nobody. Everyone
would refer to it as an online document. Only the really
geeky would point out that an FTP file - or any other file
that can be accessed through the internet - is also an
online document and therefore "online document" - while
inclusive of a web document - is not exclusively limited
to it. Got it? ;-)<br>
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It may help to keep in mind that all files reside on a
computer somewhere. The question then, becomes "is it
accessible through the internet?". If it is, it's
online. If it's not, it's offline.<br>
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Bill<br>
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Valerie Sutton wrote:<br>
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<div>August 12, 2013</div>
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<div>Question for everyone…</div>
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<div>I am trying to update my terminology…</div>
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<div>What is the difference between these three terms?
Online…Internet….Web</div>
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<div>For example, when a document is "on the web", is
that the same as "reading a document online"?</div>
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<div>Is an Online Course the same as a Course on the
Web, or a Course on the Internet?</div>
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<div>I looked some of this up on Google, and some of the
answers I got are pasted below, but I am still not
sure…</div>
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<div>When I want to direct someone to read a document in
SignPuddle Online….is that a document on the web? a
document online? or a document on the internet?</div>
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<div>smile…</div>
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<div>and when people offer courses online, are they
really on the web? or are they in something else other
than HTML? what happens if it is PHP? is that on the
web? </div>
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<div>smile …</div>
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<div>Anyone have a quick explanation understood by all?
;-)</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>Google searching...</div>
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<div><b>Answer: </b><b>The Internet and the World Wide
Web have a whole-to-part relationship</b>. The
Internet is the large container, and the Web is a part
within the container. It is common in daily
conversation to abbreviate them as the "Net" and the
"Web", and then swap the words interchangeably. But to
be technically precise, the Net is the restaurant, and
the Web is the most popular dish on the menu. <br>
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Here is the detailed explanation: <br>
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<b>1: The Internet is a Big Collection of Computers
and Cables.</b> <br>
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The Internet is named for "interconnection of computer
networks". It is a massive hardware combination of
millions of personal, business, and governmental
computers, all connected like roads and highways. The
Internet started in the 1960's under the original name
"ARPAnet". ARPAnet was originally an experiment in how
the US military could maintain communications in case
of a possible nuclear strike. With time, ARPAnet
became a civilian experiment, connecting university
mainframe computers for academic purposes. As personal
computers became more mainstream in the 1980's and
1990's, the Internet grew exponentially as more users
plugged their computers into the massive network.
Today, the Internet has grown into a public spiderweb
of millions of personal, government, and commercial
computers, all connected by cables and by wireless
signals. <br>
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No single person owns the Internet. No single
government has authority over its operations. Some
technical rules and hardware/software standards
enforce how people plug into the Internet, but for the
most part, the Internet is a free and open broadcast
medium of hardware networking.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://netforbeginners.about.com/library/diagrams/nwww2.htm">Here
is a conceptual diagram of the Internet and how it
contains many forms of online communications</a> <br>
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<b>2: The Web Is a Big Collection of HTML Pages on the
Internet.</b><br>
<br>
The World Wide Web, or "Web" for short, is a massive
collection of digital pages: that large software
subset of the Internet dedicated to broadcasting
content in the form of HTML pages. The Web is viewed
by using free software called web browsers. Born in
1989, the Web is based on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://internet.about.com/library/aa_protocols_071202.htm">hypertext
transfer protocol</a>, the language which allows you
and me to "jump" (hyperlink) to any other public web
page. There are over 65 billion public web pages on
the Web today.<br>
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