<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I do have somewhat of a method for writing by hand. I have not done anything by way of publication just because there is so much going on. To put it simply, there are 4 levels of writing by hand.<div><br></div><div>The first is what I call print because it is writing exactly what you see with the computer. This is what most people think of when the term handwriting is used.</div><div><br></div><div>The second level is what I would call handwriting. There are several differences in how to write the symbols that make it easier to write by hand. For example, a diagonal line inside a handshape means the black palm facing.</div><div><br></div><div>The third level of writing by hand I have called simplified handwriting. This has a few more differences in writing the symbols, but more so that only the dominate side is written. To know when and how the non dominate side works compared to the dominate, I use the timing symbols.</div><div><br></div><div>The last level is shorthand. I have not personally used this myself partly because it doesn't write all of the information of the sign, which means that you would have to quickly rewrite it while you still remember seeing the sign or know what it is supposed to mean. The other reason is that the method of shorthand has not been updated for a long time, so it doesn't match with how we currently write today. </div><div><br></div><div>Having said that, all of these (except for the first level of course) would need to be worked at and tried to see what really works before we could make a solid publication of it. It will happen eventually, but it will take a while. Although, we could have a discussion about it on here if people would like. We just have to remember that the way I have done it, albeit fairly thorough, doesn't mean it is complete or even THE way to do it.</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:00 AM, maria galea wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you Charles...i also found this that helps:<br><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/library/history/hist008.html">http://www.signwriting.org/library/history/hist008.html</a><br></div>much obliged!<br>
maria<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 August 2013 13:58, Charles Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif"><div><span>I know that several of the old timers use shorthand all the time to take quick notes (Adam Frost comes to mind). I believe the book can be special-ordered from Valerie as shorthand is not accessible by computer as it is meant to be written, not typed. </span></div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:tahoma,'new york',times,serif"><span><br></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:tahoma,'new york',times,serif">
<span>Handwriting is not quick, but it is clear and readable and I can read notes I wrote more than 20 years ago at this point. I teach handwriting when I teach signwriting myself. </span></div><div class="im"><div></div>
<div> </div><div>Charles
Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br><a href="tel:240-764-5748" value="+12407645748" target="_blank">240-764-5748</a><br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
<div><br></div> </div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:tahoma,'new york',times,serif"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">
<font face="Arial"><div class="im"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Honza <<a href="mailto:honza@RUCE.CZ" target="_blank">honza@RUCE.CZ</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:41 AM<div><div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fast sign writting - shorthand<br> </div></div>
</font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Charles,<br><br></div>yes I know this page, but there is only handwriting explained but not shorthand, only differences, but not the way I get certain SW
symbols by shorthand. <br>Anyway is more used handwriting or shorthand?<br>
</div><br></div>Thank you,<br>Honza<br></div><div><br><br><div>On 27 August 2013 12:15, Charles Butler <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:tahoma,'new york',times,serif"><div>
<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:17px"><span style="color:rgb(30,125,131);font-weight:bold">www.<b style="font-weight:bold">signwriting</b>.org/lessons/cursive/<u></u><b style="font-weight:bold">shorthand</b></span> </span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(30,125,131);font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(30,125,131);font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">
It's amazing what happens when you simply search for it on the
web. </div><div><div style="color:rgb(30,125,131);font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"> <br></div><div>
Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br><a rel="nofollow">240-764-5748</a><br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
<div><br></div> </div><div> <div style="font-size:12pt">
<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Honza <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:honza@RUCE.CZ" target="_blank">honza@RUCE.CZ</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:31 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fast sign writting - shorthand<br> </font> </div><div><div> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello everyone,<br><br>I am very interested in SW-short hand, but I haven't found any manual on the web.<br>
Is there any?<br><br></div>Thank you<br>Honza<br></div><div><br><br><div>
On 27 August 2013 03:11, Romero <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:romero@signwriting.org" target="_blank">romero@signwriting.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Definitely faster, but necessary to keep practicing. I use "speed" writing & F.S. for my lists of things to do (shopping, reminders, important notes). <div><br></div><div>Nancy R.<div>
<div><br><div><div>On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:07 PM, "Charles Butler" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div>I agree, shorthand is much faster, I know it in concept but have not used it enough to be fluent.<br><br><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div>
<div>Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br><a rel="nofollow">240-764-5748</a><br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
<div><br></div> <div> <div style="font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">
<font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Romero <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:romero@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">romero@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 26, 2013 8:48 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fast sign
writting<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div>Oh I see the difference here. Charles' example is of "speed writing"; what I learned is actually shorthand. Entirely different.<div><br></div><div>Nancy Romero</div>
<div><br><div><div>On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:45 PM, André L <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA" target="_blank">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri">
<div dir="ltr">Thank you,<br>your example looks like what I started to do, but you have more skills!<br>It seems I am on the right
track. <span> </span><br> <br>I just need to become more fluent and learn to write without watching my pencil.<br> <br><br>André Lemyre<br> <br><div><hr>Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:59:18 -0700<br>From: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: Fast sign writting<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><br><div>
<div><span><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVJyVCW2o0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVJyVCW2o0</a></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div>
<span>Here is a video of Lucinda Batch talking about how sign writing has changed.<span> </span><br></span></div><div>
<br><span></span></div><div><span>I found myself being able to follow her and sign myself very quickly from the subject matter.<span> </span><br>
</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div>
<span>However, writing her signs quickly is a challenge. Here are 8 signs from a transcription. It is not perfect, but this is "hand" writing, not computer writing.<span> </span><br></span></div><div> </div><div>
Charles Butler<br><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br><a rel="nofollow">240-764-5748</a><br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
<div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12pt"><div dir="ltr"><hr size="1"><font face="Arial"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b><span> </span>André L <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA" target="_blank">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b><span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><span> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span> </span>Monday, August 26, 2013 5:17 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b><span> </span>Fast sign writting<br></font></div><div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi,<br><div>I will be starting soon my LSQ signing classes.</div><div>Do you have any documents on how to write signs fast to take notes during a class.</div>
<div>I found only a few examples on the web site...</div><div>If you have drafts...</div><div> </div><div>Thanks.</div><div> </div><div>André Lemyre</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>
</div><br></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br><br></div> </div></div></div> </div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div><br><br></div> </div></div></div> </div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>