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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/18/2013 10:03 AM, Valerie Sutton
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<div>August 18, 2013</div>
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<div>Hello André and everyone -</div>
<div>Thank you for this message and thank you for offering to
translate the Parkhurst's "A Cross-Linguistic Guide to
SignWriting" into French. That will be used immediately…I look
forward to posting it on this web page:</div>
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<div>SignWriting Lessons Books in French</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/French.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/French.html</a></div>
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<div>Jonathan Duncan, software developer of SignWriter Studio (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.signwriterstudio.com">www.signwriterstudio.com</a>),
and I were both pleased to read that you are using SignWriter
Studio, combined with SignPuddle Online (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.signpuddle.org">www.signpuddle.org</a>).
Jonathan will be building in searching routines into SignWriter
Studio now, but the searching routines are different than the
ones in SignPuddle Online (I believe this is true...am I correct
in saying that, Jonathan?) so I think both programs enhance each
other with a variety of search routines...</div>
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Yes that is correct, the SignWriter Studio search will also find
symbols that mean the same such as arrows to the right or left and
hands to the right or left from top view or side view.<br>
Sorry I took so long to respond. The Signwriting list emails
weren't showing up but they did today!!! I haven't updated the help
files yet or the SignWriterStudio web page but you can download the
new version from <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.signwriterstudio.com/download/SignWriter%20Studio%201.2.0.0.exe">http://www.signwriterstudio.com/download/SignWriter%20Studio%201.2.0.0.exe</a><br>
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To use the search, open a dictionary you will be prompted to upgrade
the file, so make a backup first if you intend to use an older
version of the file<br>
and click <img src="cid:part5.03030905.04090703@yahoo.ca" alt="">
Sign Search...<br>
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You will a SignEditor window. Add the symbols you want to search
for. You can select the symbols and change whether you want them to
search Same Fill & Rotation, same fill, same rotation or any
fill and rotation doing a right click.<br>
<img src="cid:part6.07010406.06000005@yahoo.ca" alt=""><br>
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Jonathan<br>
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<div>So your feedback on the software, André, will be much
appreciated -</div>
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<div>Thank you for ideas on Flashcards too - A lot to think about
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<div>Enjoy learning Quebec Sign Language (LSQ) and have a great
autumn -</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Aug 16, 2013, at 2:33 PM, André L <<a
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I will initiate some ideas in Fall or winter...<br>
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One is to translate in French the guide "A
cross-linguistic guide to signwriting" by Parkhurst.<br>
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Another project is to use the freeware Anki to
make intelligent flashcards to study sign language for
Québec sign language. See<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ankisrs.net/" target="_blank">http://ankisrs.net/</a><br>
I used it for Chineese and Haiti creole. I love it. It
shows words we had more difficulties in the past and
easy ones once in a while.<br>
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The last project: I am a professionnal software tester
(13 years experience in the medical field and soon some
web based testing in the medical field). I could
provide in depth test protocols for testing new
applications (currently I use mostly signwriter studio
1.1 and signpuddle for search.<br>
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I have little free time now, but in December, most of
my signing classes will be over... I will post other
messages then.<br>
<br>
André Lemyre<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Tue, 13 Aug
2013 10:03:01 -0700<br>
From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
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href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: productive/receptive writing
question<br>
To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
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href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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SignWriting List
<div>August 13, 2013</div>
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<div>Hello André Lemyre!</div>
<div>I am happy to see the many signs you have
added to the Quebec Sign Language
Dictionary:</div>
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href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=4&sgn=47"
target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=4&sgn=47</a></div>
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<div>Now that we can search by Source, I was
able to find all the signs you have written
by searching for your name in the Search for
Source field…</div>
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<div>Here is a screen capture of the list of
signs you have written so far:</div>
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id="ecx71bb8a4f-9e67-49cf-8bf4-93856f8bf8b2"
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<div>Thank you for your hard work, André!</div>
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<div>Your description of writing left-handed
signing and right handed-signing, and
Receptive and Expressive is really
interesting. Your perception is correct -
you are welcome to write as you choose. The
only issue, which I believe you already
experienced, is that most people are reading
and writing in the Expressive-Right-Handed
mode, and since that is the standard way we
are writing, most people will read your
writing better if you write that way.
However, for your own personal use, or for
some exceptions in research, the other modes
are fine too - </div>
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<div>SignWriting is flexible. I believe that
is why it is used so widely now -</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Aug 12, 2013, at 5:51 PM, André L
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href="mailto:andre-andre@hotmail.ca">andre-andre@hotmail.ca</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
<br>
I want to add complexity relative to
left handed people...<br>
<br>
In Tae kwon do and Aikido (martial
arts), a long time ago, I was taught
to not have a preferred side, both
should be equals.<br>
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I am right handed. I work a lot
with computer and have pain to my
right hand.<br>
I studied Québec sign language 3
years ago. I chose my left hand has
my dominant hand for signing. (I
can easily swap hands for signing.)<br>
<br>
When I studied signwritting in March
2013, I copied my right handed
teacher signs from a receptive
perspective, I had no time to
process the sign. Signwritting is
not easy for a beginner and my
teacher do not let time for taking
notes.<br>
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After, at home, I wrote as a left
handed person from the expressive
perspective for my personal
notes. Then I shared copies of my
personal notes with right handed
friends. I swaped to writing as a
right handed person.<br>
<br>
Since 1 month, I add signs to sign
puddle.<br>
I write the signs from a right
handed person from the expressive
perspective.<br>
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Before writting a sign, I watch a
video from the receptive
perspective. Then, I do the sign
with the right hand. I watch it from
the expressive perspective. After,
I write it as a right handed would
do. I project the image of my right
hand on the screen.<br>
<br>
Sometimes, I write very naturally
a sign that I see . I was under the
impression that I may write from a
left handed receptive perspective...
by-passing all the swapping I
mentionned above.<br>
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Good success with your semester.<br>
<br>
André Lemyre<br>
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Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:39:14 -0400<br>
From:<span
class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:erhoffma@OBERLIN.EDU">erhoffma@OBERLIN.EDU</a><br>
Subject: productive/receptive
writing question<br>
To:<span
class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<div>Hi everyone! I'm going
to be giving a paper at
our annual anthropology
meetings this fall on a
panel about how to best
represent visual aspects
of linguistic phenomena.<span
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I want to talk about the
shift from receptive to
productive writing in SW.
I'm going to suggest that
there are interesting
theoretical and
methodological lessons in
this shift for scholars who
want to transcribe visual
aspects of communication,
even if they aren't using SW
per se (though I also want
to make more scholars in my
field aware of how useful SW
can be for this purpose).<br>
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To that end, I was wondering
if list members might be
willing to talk with me about
their feelings about
productive writing with SW.
Did you initially write
receptively? If so, how did
you shift? (or do you still
write receptively sometimes?).
How do you feel that writing
productively affects the way
you choose to write (or how
you read other people's
writing)?<span
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I'd love to hear answers to
these questions and anything
else you think is relevant about
this aspect of SW, particularly
as it relates to your own ways
of using the writing system (for
teaching, for research, for
translation, for poetry, etc).<span
class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br clear="all">
<div>The conference isn't until
November, but I wanted to get
started on it now, before the
semester kicks in!<br>
</div>
Best,<br>
Erika<br clear="all">
<br>
--<span
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Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>
Assistant Professor of
Anthropology<br>
Oberlin College</div>
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