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<div>I have a suggestion, Not sure if you have discussed this in the past but i think it may be better to have some type of forum for all of this discussion instead of everyone getting emails because like a previous subscriber said it is flooding our inboxes. Maybe you could integrate one into the signwriting website like most other sites have and then people could subscribe to the topics the want and still get everything also if they wanted. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Melinda <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gersteinb@aol.com">gersteinb@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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From: Cherie Wren <<a href="mailto:cwterp@YAHOO.COM">cwterp@YAHOO.COM</a>><br>
To: SW-L <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"><font color="black" face="arial">Are you looking for signwriting examples of those linguistic terms, or are you looking for translations of the terms themselves? Two very different problems...<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <hr SIZE="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Melinda <<a href="mailto:gersteinb@AOL.COM">gersteinb@AOL.COM</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 4, 2013 1:23 PM<br>
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<div>I do have other lingusitc terms if they can help. I have thepowerpoint already made but i need to sign on to sign writing for example:</div>
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<div>2. NMS- mouth morphemes</div>
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<div>3. Language and communication systems- how they are differ</div>
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<div>Many thanks for helping me. Smile</div>
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From: Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br>
To: SW-L <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>
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<div>Thanks for your help, Charles. I need everyone's help!</div>
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<div>So Melinda - there are wonderful people here on the List who can help you get your PowerPoint completed for your school -</div>
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<div>I love PowerPoint and I plan to post some of our other teacher's PowerPoint presentations too, on the SignWriting site, so this is a great time to develop your PowerPoint -</div>
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<div>I will learn with you…smile….</div>
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<div>On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" rel="nofollow">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div><span>It took reading her sentence several times think she may mean "arbitrary" or "iconic" signs. Because they are "iconic" they are contextual, meaning "not a dictionary entry" but simply a configuration that is being used in a particular sense, like the "three" hand being used for "vehicles" in several signs. I looked up "vehicle" and found these three signs that are used in that context. ABC poems use that concept all the time. SignWriting is based on writing what you see, NOT the meaning. <br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:09 PM<br>
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From: Melinda <<a href="mailto:gersteinb@aol.com" rel="nofollow">gersteinb@aol.com</a>><br>
To: gersteinb <<a href="mailto:gersteinb@aol.com" rel="nofollow">gersteinb@aol.com</a>><br>
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<div>melinda</div>
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To: SW-L <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel="nofollow">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>
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<div><a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/translate.php?ui=1&sgn=4</a></div>
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From: Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM" rel="nofollow">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br>
To: SW-L <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" rel="nofollow">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:56 am<br>
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<div>On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Melinda <<a href="mailto:gersteinb@AOL.COM" rel="nofollow">gersteinb@AOL.COM</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I went in the website that you suggested and I tran to add the wordon translate and nothing happens.</div>
<div>Can you tell me what I a doing wrong? Smile, Melinda</div>
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<div>Hello Melinda!</div>
<div>Thank you for trying…big smile too ;-))</div>
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<div>Let us take it one step at a time to see what happens…I am sure we can figure it out...</div>
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<div>You went to:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=4</a></div>
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<div>Looking at the attached diagram, you succeeded to do Number 1 and 2 and 3, but then nothing happened? When you scrolled down you did not see any choices of signs?</div>
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<div>There is a chance that the signs you tried to translate were not in the ASL Dictionary…what words did you try to translate?</div>
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<div>For right now, lets try the word HELLO - do not try other words - let us first see if you can get it to work for the word HELLO...</div>
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<div>Then we can start doing your real translation together…</div>
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<div>Write again to tell me if you can translate the word HELLO…. and do what is in the diagram…</div>
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<div>Thanks Melinda - and welcome once again to the List ;-)</div>
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