<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://349/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well one thing for sure, if there's 12 signers there will be 12 opinions on how to sign something.<div>What ends up is that when we read written sign language, we read it the way we sign it (at least I do) anyway. <br><div><br></div><div>This is probably no longer a concern, but the way I actually write LANGUAGE is the following, without any twisting, since written twisting with simultaneous moving in any direction, in my experience, has not been very easy to read:</div><div><img id="29dbe061-d46b-4e54-9f89-c365098a4f4b" height="99" width="146" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:FBABED61-BCEA-40A7-A04C-73473D28C384@sd.cox.net"></div><div><br></div><div>Nancy</div><div>p.s. I have my own dictionary, over 7000 signs (ASL Bible Dictionary). </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 8, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Hi Cherie<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">thanks for clarification ;-))<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Cherie Wren<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sonntag, 8. September 2013 22:26<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: AW: AW: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; ">When i sign "WRITE" the palm is not perfectly facing to the side or to the front; instead it is kind of diagonally facing my right shoulder. So when the right hand 'writes' on it, is moving diagonally forward/right. The arrows are correct, the palm facing is an approximation. Its too much trouble to delve into the diagonal palm facings for everyday writing...<br><br>cherie<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-top: 3.75pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 8, 2013 4:18 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AW: AW: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></div><div id="yiv6897806149"><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Hi Charles and friends of the sw-list,</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Well – there may be a misunderstandig.</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">I discussed the spelling of two different ways to write the term “write” ... I have got no problem to understand the sign for write with the zig-zag motion in the end. Of course you can literally “write on your left palm parallel to the floor” like this.</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Compared to that there is a different spelling of “write” left palm facing the signer. So I would rather expect the right hand moving left to right instead of diagonally forward to the right ... ;-)</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">All best</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Stefan</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div id="yiv6897806149yqt72589"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Charles Butler<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sonntag, 8. September 2013 13:56<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: AW: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div></div><div id="yiv6897806149yqt25220"><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Only a partial answer "with the Delegs Editor" is parallel to "with SignWriting". SignWriting is a methodology that can be a program (the SignPuddle) or by hand so "with" is the appropriate preposition. </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 14.5pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 14.5pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">The zig-zag movement on SignWriting is stylistic form for finishing a sentence. The double motion of "writing" above is imbedded in a sentence so one is continuing a thought. It is not inconsistent if one thinks of the zig-zag as a double motion with a "written" return. The motion may be exactly the same. </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Charles Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="4" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:41 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AW: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div id="yiv6897806149"><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Nancy, Adam, Maria, Guido and friends of the sw-list ;-)) ,</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">I love to discuss this kind of documents. SignWriting is such a wonderdull tool to discuss different aspects of any given SL performance on a solid foundation.</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">This is a typical example. Somebody tries to translate a given concept (idea, phrase, sentence) to ASL ( or DGS...whatsoever..)</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Now different competent signers may offer their w r i t t e n answer to this problem.</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">What can be seen again and again ... there is not the one and only possible translation.</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Even if</span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149shorttext"><font><span lang="EN" style=""> </span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font><span lang="EN" style="">the sequence</span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149shorttext"><font><span lang="EN" style=""> </span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font><span lang="EN" style="">of signs</span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149shorttext"><font><span lang="EN" style=""> </span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font><span lang="EN" style="">may</span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149shorttext"><font><span lang="EN" style=""> </span></font></span><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><span lang="EN" style="">be the same</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>there are still lots of possibilities to make individual (perhaps meaningfull) differences ... In this case the facial expressions...</span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">The good point is that we can discuss our “examples” in detail. We can learn from each other. We can look at the documents as long as we want to (compared to video ... ;-)</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">We can easily rewrite or change the document if we wish to.</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Looking at your document Nancy – I have a question. (Same question goes to Adam ;-)) )</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> I tried to rewrite your sentence with the US- SignPuddle Dictionary. I do not get the same signs this way. Does this mean that you write this kind of document from scratch with SignText? </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Nancy, I would like to discuss your spelling of “Language” - the way you wrote it both hands move back and forth at the same time. Is this the way you want to sign it?</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Another spelling question: “written” second sign in the right column. Left palm facing you, right hand is moving diagonally forward instead down or to the right ... mh ... compared to your spelling of SignWriting (left hand palm up, right hand writing zigzag on the palm) the first spelling seems to be somehow inconsistent. (Although there is no doubt about that everybody should be able to understand the idea – smile)</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Now a discussion apart from SignWriting and spelling...</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Both of you (Nancy and Adam) write a sign for “with” –mh – (Maybe just because Maria asked for a sentence including this “with”)</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Do not know ASL but here is my question – from my point of idea “with” is kind of “with a pen” or “with my friend” or...”with the delegs Editor” but “written with (????) SignWriting?</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">I am looking forward to your answers.</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">All best</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; ">Stefan</span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><span class="yiv6897806149hps"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></span><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Romero<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet</span></b></span></font><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sonntag, 8. September 2013 01:56<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><span><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Here's an example of an example:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Facial expression eyebrows up, index finger points down 2x (This)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Fingerspelling for ASL<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">2 horizontal lines for a pause<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for AMERICA (fingers intertwined, making a small horizontal circle)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for SIGN (2 index fingers travel in vertical oblong circle, alternating)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for LANGUAGE ( "L" handshapes facing floor moving outward while rotating)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">2 horizontal lines for a pause<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for SHOW (flat left hand, right index touching palm of L hand, both move forward together twice)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for WRITING (flat L palm, R hand as if holding pen moves diagonal on floor plane, 2x)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for WITH (2 "A" handshapes together, baby fingers toward the floor<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for SIGN (shown previously)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Sign for WRITING (former sign for WRITE with zigzag writing movement. This is only one variation)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">2 horizontal lines for a pause<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Fingerspelled S and W (another way to sign SIGN WRITING)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Thick horizontal line for the end of the sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Sep 7, 2013, at 4:41 PM, maria galea <<a href="mailto:signwriting.maria@gmail.com" target="_blank" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:signwriting.maria@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">signwriting.maria@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Dear list members particularly ASL users,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">A friend of mine who happens to be a linguist in the field of writing systems of the world is hoping to include the mentioning of SignWriting as a writing system of the world, and he has asked if someone could translate the following sentence into ASL SignWriting:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">"This is an American sign language example written with SignWriting "</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">If you could add sign-to-meaning correspondences, syntactic factors, and lexical selection considerations would be helpful for him.</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Thank you! It would be great if SignWriting makes its way into the academic field of writing systems, so thank you very much for helping out with this (i can't do it myself, because I'm not an ASL user)</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; ">best regards to everyone!</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; ">maria</span></font><font><o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>