<div dir="ltr">This is a great discussion - indeed, the kind of thing I was interested in working with for my book project. There have been some very interesting FROG sentences and discussion, but perhaps I can also include a discussion of this elicited sentence as well if no one objects.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Valerie Sutton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" target="_blank">signwriting@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="im">SignWriting List<div>September 8, 2013</div><div><br></div></div><div>
I like both translations... I think both are valid and readable… in fact the first translation might be better for some readers… a lot depends on the target audience, as was mentioned before...</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you everyone for this discussion...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>------</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:tahoma,'new york',times,serif"><div><span>Perfect. Shows parallelism of concepts. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:23 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper<br>
</font> </div> <div><br><div>Here is a new translation. I feel that this is better than the one that I had done before.<div><br></div><div><table border="1"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><img src="cid:1.374180609@web163406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="355" width="108"></td>
<td valign="top"><img src="cid:2.374180609@web163406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" height="375" width="100"></td></tr></tbody></table><div><br></div><div>Glossing of the above sentence:</div><div>THIS/HERE EXAMPLE SENTENCE, ASL, SIGNWRITING.</div>
<div>Translation of the above sentence:</div><div><br></div><div>This example sentence is in ASL and SignWriting.</div><div>The first 3 signs are topicalized because of the brow raising followed by a pause. The last two signs are separated by a pause to
signify "and". I did think about wether or not I should place them in left and right lanes, but then decided against it because I am not comparing the two concepts. </div><div>You might notice that I completely avoided the use of "written" and "with". Part of it was because it was giving me a struggle in how to translate it, but also because I realized that the sentence was actually making two statements: this is an ASL example and that it was written in SignWriting. When I played with writing two separate sentences, I realized that if I were talking with my friends that I would just say "This is in SignWriting" rather than "This is written in SignWriting", so I went with the idea that the example is in ASL and SignWriting.</div>
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<br></div><div>Courtesy of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.signbank.org/" target="_blank">SignBank.org</a></div><div><div>On Sep 7, 2013, at 4:41 PM, maria galea wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Dear list members particularly ASL users,<div>
<br><div>A friend of mine who happens to be a linguist in the field of writing systems of the world is hoping
to include the mentioning of SignWriting as a writing system of the world, and he has asked if someone could translate the following sentence into ASL SignWriting:</div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">"This is an American sign language example written with SignWriting "</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">If you could add sign-to-meaning correspondences, syntactic factors, and lexical selection considerations would be helpful for him.</span><br>
</div></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Thank you! It would be great if SignWriting makes its way into the academic field of writing systems, so thank you very much for helping out with this (i can't do it myself, because I'm not an ASL user)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">best regards to everyone!</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">maria</font></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
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Oberlin College
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