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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Valerie, Nancy, Adam, Maria, Guido and friends of
the sw-list ;-)) , <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I love to discuss this kind of documents. SignWriting
is such a wonderdull tool to discuss different aspects of any given SL
performance on a solid foundation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This is a typical example. Somebody tries to
translate a given concept (idea, phrase, sentence) to ASL ( or
DGS...whatsoever..) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Now different competent signers may offer their w r
i t t e n answer to this problem. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What can be seen again and again ... there is not the
one and only possible translation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Even if</span></font></span><span
class=shorttext><span lang=EN> </span></span><span class=hps><span lang=EN>the
sequence</span></span><span class=shorttext><span lang=EN> </span></span><span
class=hps><span lang=EN>of signs</span></span><span class=shorttext><span
lang=EN> </span></span><span class=hps><span lang=EN>may</span></span><span
class=shorttext><span lang=EN> </span></span><span class=hps><span lang=EN>be
the same</span> there are still lots of possibilities to make individual
(perhaps meaningfull) differences ... In this case the facial expressions... <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>The good point is that we can discuss our “examples”
in detail. We can learn from each other. We can look at the documents as long
as we want to (compared to video ... ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>We can easily rewrite or change the document
if we wish to. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Looking at your document Nancy – I have
a question. (Same question goes to Adam ;-)) )<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'> I tried to rewrite your sentence with the US-
SignPuddle Dictionary. I do not get the same signs this way. Does this mean
that you write this kind of document from scratch with SignText? <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Nancy, I would like to discuss your spelling
of “Language” - the way you wrote it both hands move back and
forth at the same time. Is this the way you want to sign it? <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Another spelling question: “written”
second sign in the right column. Left palm facing you, right hand is moving
diagonally forward instead down or to the right ... mh ... compared to your
spelling of SignWriting (left hand palm up, right hand writing zigzag on the
palm) the first spelling seems to be somehow inconsistent. (Although there is
no doubt about that everybody should be able to understand the idea –
smile) <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now a discussion apart from SignWriting and
spelling... <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Both of you (Nancy and Adam) write a sign for
“with” –mh – (Maybe just because Maria asked for a
sentence including this “with”)<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Do not know ASL but here is my question –
from my point of idea “with” is kind of “with a pen”
or “with my friend” or...”with the delegs Editor” but
“written with (????) SignWriting? <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am looking forward to your answers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>All best <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'>Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftrag von </span></b>Romero<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet</span></b></span></font><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> Sonntag, 8. September 2013 01:56<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: help with writing an
ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><img width=242 height=431
id="_x0039_3320fb6-9613-4208-9443-c41931f80c32"
src="cid:image002.jpg@01CEAC88.5E0F16E0" apple-width=yes apple-height=yes><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Here's an example of an example:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Facial expression eyebrows up, index finger points down 2x (This)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Fingerspelling for ASL<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2 horizontal lines for a pause<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for AMERICA (fingers intertwined, making a small horizontal
circle)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for SIGN (2 index fingers travel in vertical oblong circle,
alternating)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for LANGUAGE ( "L" handshapes facing floor moving
outward while rotating)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2 horizontal lines for a pause<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for SHOW (flat left hand, right index touching palm of L hand,
both move forward together twice)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for WRITING (flat L palm, R hand as if holding pen moves diagonal
on floor plane, 2x)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for WITH (2 "A" handshapes together, baby fingers toward
the floor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for SIGN (shown previously)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sign for WRITING (former sign for WRITE with zigzag writing movement.
This is only one variation)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2 horizontal lines for a pause<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Fingerspelled S and W (another way to sign SIGN WRITING)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thick horizontal line for the end of the sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sep 7, 2013, at 4:41 PM, maria galea <<a
href="mailto:signwriting.maria@gmail.com">signwriting.maria@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear list members particularly ASL users,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A friend of mine who happens to be a linguist in the field of writing
systems of the world is hoping to include the mentioning of SignWriting as a
writing system of the world, and he has asked if someone could translate the
following sentence into ASL SignWriting:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>"This is an American sign language example written with
SignWriting "</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If you could add sign-to-meaning correspondences, syntactic
factors, and lexical selection considerations would be helpful for him.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thank you! It would be great if SignWriting makes its way into
the academic field of writing systems, so thank you very much for helping out
with this (i can't do it myself, because I'm not an ASL user)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>best regards to everyone!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>maria</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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