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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Of course, with pleasure.<BR> <BR>André Lemyre<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:22:45 +0000<br>From: ernandesbarroso@CORREIOS.COM.BR<br>Subject: RES: SignWriting E-Lessons in PDF and Word formats<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="maroon" size="3" face="Arial"><span style="color: maroon; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">Manaus/AM, 10 de setembro de 2013.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="maroon" size="3" face="Arial"><span style="color: maroon; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">Great idea, Andre!</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="maroon" size="3" face="Arial"><span style="color: maroon; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">I’d like very much to get this pdf lessons.</span></font></p>
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De: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Em nome de Valerie Sutton<br>
Enviada em: terça-feira, 10 de setembro de 2013 12:44<br>
Para: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
Assunto: SignWriting E-Lessons in PDF and Word formats<font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">SignWriting List</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">September 9, 2013</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hello André!</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thank you for this offer to create a PDF of our SignWriting E-Lessons…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">That would be a wonderful gift - maybe a lot of work for you? But I appreciate it, if you can do it, and of course I will post it then, on the E-Lessons web page
as well as your posting it to the SignWriting List…this will be great for everyone…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">The Word and PDF formats are both very valuable.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I will provide you the cover page and credits when you send me the document - yes - that is perfect!</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Have a great day!</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Val ;-)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">On Sep 9, 2013, at 2:40 PM, André L <andre-andre@hotmail.ca> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Hello Valerie,</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> thank you for this useful link to the e-lessons.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> I will gather all e-lessons in a single word document for my own usage.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Do you want a copy? You could post-it for download in word or PDF format.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> If so, I will need a suggestion for the coverpage and a few lines of introduction by you (which you can provide later when I send you a draft of the
document).</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Thank you.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> André Lemyre</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 20:33:18 -0700</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> From: signwriting@MAC.COM</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Subject: Re: AW: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> September 8, 2013</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Hello Andre -</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Thank you for your messages. Yes, there are two SignSpelling Rules that are important to read and understand. They are located on these web pages:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> and also read:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> SignSpelling Process?</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less065.html</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> and continue all the way through this web page:</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> We try to write the way the signs look in real life as much as possible…so when two hands contact, we write the two hand symbols as best as we can,
as close to each other as we can. So the Contact Symbols cannot come between the two hand symbols, because in real life that would not happen. Of course there are times that it is hard to write one hand over the other or whatever, so we are not 100 per cent
like real life, but at least we try to place them close to each other and still readable. Then you place the Contact Symbols near those two hand symbols, if you feel you need the Contact Symbols.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Since most of the time, we are able to write the two hand symbols close to each other when we contact…we call that the "Position of Contact" - since
most of the time we can write the Position of Contact visually, the way it really looks, there are times when a single Touch Contact Star is not needed because you can see the contact through the visual placement of the two symbols…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> I suggest that you read the above web pages carefully and look at all the diagrams - it will help a lot.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Regarding the placement of the arrows….The Position of Contact is the "center" of the sign and the arrows either push or pull to or away from that center,
as explained in the SignSpelling Rules above…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> I think your last question is related to "classifiers"? or perhaps I do not understand your last question? Give us an example of what you are asking…that
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Val ;-)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:17 PM, André L <andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Hi,</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> is there any guideline on where movement and contact graphems should be placed relatively to handshapes?</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> I tend to put contact graphems between the hands when they cannot be overlaped clearly. I tend to put arrows in the periphery of the signs.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Is there a convention for expressions composed of 2 words that take a different specific meaning (example: a car component with some shape)?
This makes a dictionary containing expressions, lexics...</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:02:28 -0700</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> From: signwriting@MAC.COM</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Subject: Re: AW: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> September 8, 2013</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Hello Stefan and everyone -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Thank you for this message, Stefan. And we all agree it is wonderful to discuss the differences in translations. There will always be differences…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Years ago, when I started writing signs at the University of Copenhagen in 1974, I wrote by watching videos because there was no other way
I could watch the signs and gestures that they asked me to write. So SignWriting started by watching videos and transcribing those videos into SignWriting documents.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> But that is no longer our focus here, in our organization (the Center for Sutton Movement Writing and the Deaf Action Committee for SignWriting
- the DAC). Our organization does not represent the entire US however…we are just one group writing ASL in the US… there are several groups of ASL writers now in the US - it is important for everyone to understand that my organization does not represent the
US… we are just one of several groups writing ASL...</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> On Sep 8, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Hi Valerie, Nancy, Adam, Maria, Guido and friends of the sw-list ;-)) ,</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> I love to discuss this kind of documents. SignWriting is such a wonderdull tool to discuss different aspects of any given SL
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> The word "performance" in English seems like you are talking about actual signing, but sometimes, when we write directly in ASL, not based
on viewing any video or any person, but thinking in ASL in our heads, and then writing directly, we are not seeing anyone sign it, but we are writing our thinking - so the old way of writing from video is a different experience than writing what you are thinking
in ASL…I cannot do this because I am not skilled in ASL, but I know that other writers here think in ASL and write directly in ASL...</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> This is a typical example. Somebody tries to translate a given concept (idea, phrase, sentence) to ASL ( or DGS...whatsoever..)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Now different competent signers may offer their w r i t t e n answer to this problem.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> What can be seen again and again ... there is not the one and only possible translation.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Yes…exactly…and a lot depends on the method of translating…is one writing what someone else says? or is one writing what you yourself think?
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Even if the sequence of signs may be the same there are still lots of possibilities to make individual (perhaps meaningfull)
differences ... In this case the facial expressions…</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Yes, I can imagine there could always be more facial expressions added if you want to write Deaf storytelling, like in Cherie Wren's Cat
in the Hat (http://www.signwriting.org/library/children/CatHat.html) - that has a lot of facial expressions - but that was because Cherie was telling a story - it was not the cold translation of one sentence - and then the ASL culture doesn't necessarily want
to write mouthing, as we have discussed before -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> This does not mean that we are not totally amazed and impressed with the writing of German Sign Language and also the writing of the mouthing
and SpeechWriting that you have developed, Stefan. You are a genius to develop this teaching tool and we are grateful for your work. We are just not teachers of Deaf children, in the same way that you are on a daily basis - we are writing the ASL language
without attempting to teach anything - other than to provide the world with written ASL literature for those who already know ASL and want to read directly in their own language...</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Meanwhile, as Nancy explained, the topic marker of the eyebrows up, is an ASL grammar marker and necessary to be written and that was written
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> The good point is that we can discuss our “examples” in detail. We can learn from each other. We can look at the documents as
long as we want to (compared to video ... ;-)</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Yes. That has already happened thanks to your discussion! But we have no video and I do not think it should be written from video. That
would be like asking a United Nations translator to transcribe the sounds of Russian from an audio tape, rather than writing the standardized spellings of written Russian when listening to the audio tape -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> There are really two ways to transcribe video in SignWriting - one based on writing movement…writing what you see as an observer - but now
we have a second way of transcribing video - things are changing here - that second way is based on the idea that we have enough standardized spellings that we do not have to write what we see on the video, but instead use the video as a reminder as to what
is being said, and then use standardized spellings to write what was said in ASL on the video, and not worry about writing body movement and personal styles of signing -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> This new way of doing video transcription is happening right now in Michigan, by a separate group…Ron Dettloff's Deaf Church in Michigan
has two ASL writers who are looking at ASL videos that are a translation of Bible passages, and then writing those videos in SignWriting - but they are not writing every movement and facial expression - instead they are writing a simpler version for each sign
that cuts down on the detail -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> This is not a perfect solution - and I am not saying there is not room for lots of feedback and training because there is - but I think
it is exciting to see how video transcription has its differences as well as translators' differences - they are two totally different mediums but very interesting -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Looking at your document Nancy – I have a question. (Same question goes to Adam ;-)) )</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> I tried to rewrite your sentence with the US- SignPuddle Dictionary. I do not get the same signs this way. Does this mean that
you write this kind of document from scratch with SignText?</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> OK. I believe you may not realize that we have two ASL Dictionaries? The unedited ASL Dictionary is a mess and is completely without editing…anyone
can write signs there and there are lots of doubles and no funding to help us create a clean dictionary… (I hope this will become a project for the future) and the second ASL Dictionary was developed by Nancy Romero for her Bible translations…Only Nancy and
a handful of others can add signs to the ASL Bible Dictionary and Nancy has edited the dictionary so it is the best we have (thank you, Nancy - we are grateful for your dictionary!).</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Anyone can view, copy and use the translate feature in either ASL Dictionary… see attached diagram…I assume that Nancy used the ASL Bible
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Meanwhile there are people like me who write directly in SignText without using the Translate feature at all -</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoPlainText"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Have a blessed day, everyone - and Maria - I surely hope you send all these discussions and translations to the scholar documenting SignWriting
as a written form for languages - it is a true writing system used on a daily basis by brilliant people -</span></font></p>
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