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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr">Bonjour Erik - Hello Erika</p><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr">Voici mon exemple de texte en Langue des signes du Québec (pidgin imparfait écrit par un entendant) pour ton projet.</p><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr">Here is my text example in Québec sign language (flawed pidgin written by an hearing person) for your project.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"> </p><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr">Voir mon texte au-bas de ton courriel. See my text below your e-mail.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"> </p><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr">André Lemyre</p></blockquote></blockquote><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><br>-------------------</p><p style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr">-------------------<br><br>Bonjour à toutes et à tous,<br><font face="Times New Roman">
</font> <br>Comme vous vous en rappelez peut-être, il y a quelque temps,
nous avons échangé à propos de la possibilité que les membres de cette liste de
discussion soient intéressés par la création d'un court document en "sign
writting".<span> </span>Je vais les inclure dans
un livre sur lequel je travaille.</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Ce que j'ai proposé initialement était:</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">"Que pensez-vous que nous choisissions un texte que
tous ceux d'entre vous qui le désirent pourraient traduire dans leur langue des
signes respective en utilisant le "sign writting"?<span> </span>Je pourrais consacrer un chapitre du livre
sur ces textes.<span> </span>Cela permettrait une
comparaison des différentes langues des signes et les façons d'utiliser le
"sign writting".<span> </span></p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Chaque auteur pourrait partager ses réflexions sur ses choix
lors de la création du texte, incluant peut-être comment son expérience et ses
buts ont affecté ces choix (puisque certains d'entre vous sont poètes, d'autres
sont linguistes, etc.).<span> </span>Les participants
pourraient aussi partager leurs réflexions sur ce que nous pouvons apprendre de
ces textes."</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Nous avons discuté longuement sur la meilleure façon
d'initier ces textes.<span> </span>Il semblait que la
chose la plus agréable serait d'utiliser une simple image comme point de
départ,<span> </span>quelque chose qui mènerait à des
phrases intéressantes mais qui ne prendrait pas trop de votre temps à
créer.<span> </span>J'ai proposé d'utiliser les deux
images ci-jointes, en écrivant peut-être une ou deux phrases sur chacune, pour
un total de 2 à 4 phrases.</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Eh bien, je viens de recevoir une réponse d'un éditeur
potentiel qui me demande quand je pourrai lui donner un brouillon.<span> </span></p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Donc, j'ai pensé qu'il vaut mieux relancer la discussion!</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Voici ce que je pense être l'idéal:</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Ceux d'entre vous qui le veulent créeraient de brefs textes
à partir des images et les publieraient dans la liste.<span> </span>Je suis intéressée non seulement par les
textes, mais aussi par la richesse des conversations sur les différentes
langues et les styles d'écriture qui en suivront.<span> </span>Comme je l'ai écrit à l'éditeur:</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">"Je vais inviter les auteurs à présenter des textes en
langue des signes écrits pour le livre et à participer à l'analyse de ces
textes".</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font><br><span> </span>Notez que, puisque c'est un projet de linguistique anthropologique,
il n'est pas nécessaire que les textes soient les mêmes - par exemple, c'est
bien si différentes personnes écrivent des phrases décrivant différents
éléments des illustrations.</div><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Donc, qu'en pensez-vous?<span>
</span>Devrions-nous essayer?</p><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><div style="display: inline-block;"><!--tmpl() _54--><span contenteditable="true"> </span><div class="inlineImage" style="display: inline-block;" contenteditable="false" initheight="802" initwidth="770"><img width="770" height="802" src="cid:inlineImage0"></div><span contenteditable="true"> </span><!--/tmpl--></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"> </div><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><div style="display: inline-block;"><!--tmpl() _54--><span contenteditable="true"> </span><div class="inlineImage" style="display: inline-block;" contenteditable="false" initheight="802" initwidth="770"><img width="770" height="802" src="cid:inlineImage1"></div><span contenteditable="true"> </span><!--/tmpl--></div></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div class="ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>Assistante Professeur d'Anthropologie<br>Oberlin College
</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">--------------</div><div dir="ltr">--------------</div><div dir="ltr">--------------</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Erika, here is my text...</div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>For me, the existence of sign writing is based on one need, how we can note a
sign in order to remember it and share it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>As a hearing student in sign language, I have 3h00 classes per week and
at least 1 hour of individual study per day.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The course is based on videos installed on my PC or on-line and a few
books with pictures.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A dictionary is in
development for LSQ but it will be completed in 2018.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"></span><o:p></o:p></span> </p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>When I need a word, I have to search several places and often I do not
find the sign I need.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When I do not know
a sign I use a synonym, but I feel that it is a cheap and poor way to
communicate.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Often, I see deaf people
use signs I never see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This causes me a
high feeling of incompetence and powerless since I believe that the sign is
documented nowhere available to me.</span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'><o:p></o:p></span> </p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>Sometimes, teachers present signs that differ from the videos or the
books.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Having no way to note what I see
and knowing I would not remember them, I simply gave up trying.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As I developed my vocabulary, I started
taking notes such as "this sign looks like this other one with a small
difference".<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"></span><o:p></o:p></span> </p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>Then I found sign writing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is
long to learn.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It took me between 3
and 6 months to be able to write a sign in 5 minutes (with mistakes!).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>During that period, I spent little time
reviewing my vocabulary.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have to watch
videos several times and I rely on hints provided by sign writing studio.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I still have difficulties with direction
arrows of the arm and the wrist.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>At
first I wrote approximations of signs that were good enough to be recopied
after class.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In class, the teacher signs
fast, it is hard to find the time to take notes or write signs.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Still, if I take no note, I fear I will not
learn through repetition.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I still take
notes such as "this sign looks like this other one with a small
difference" and often I add the best sign writing I can. <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>Then I copy these notes for other students (only five) as an effort to
improve.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They do not know sign writing,
a part of this effort is wasted at present.</span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'><o:p></o:p></span> </p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>I found a sign writing convention at the university.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The take 1, 2 or 3 pictures, they add
direction arrows and detail the hand configurations, orientations and
movements.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This takes a whole page for
one sign.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Most of the information is
within the pictures.</span></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'><o:p></o:p></span> </p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>It seems simpler for me to write a sign than take a picture of myself
and edit it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Still, this would require
writing the sign that I see before taking the pictures.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I cannot avoid the note taking part.<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right: 0px;" dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>My Québec sign language (with pidgin) text is a follow:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>child him room his.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>dog frog his.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>him happy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>in front bed, in bottle, frog<o:p></o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>it wait what? night.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>why? <o:p></o:p></span></p><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>when all sleep, it flee with boot magic seven place.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'></span> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'>This text uses rhetorical questions, positioning of characters in space, and swapped order of words compared to French... all of which are a difficulty for hearing people.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'></span> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"> </p></blockquote><span lang="EN-CA" style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-fareast-language: FR-CA;'><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"> </p><o:p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; line-height: normal;" dir="ltr"> </p><div dir="ltr"><div style="display: inline-block;"><!--tmpl() _54--><span contenteditable="true"> </span><div class="inlineImage" style="display: inline-block;" contenteditable="false" initheight="430" initwidth="710"><img width="710" height="430" src="cid:inlineImage2"></div><span contenteditable="true"> </span><!--/tmpl--></div></div><div dir="ltr"></div></o:p><div dir="ltr"></div></span><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
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