<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I love the sign for frog with the cheeks puffing in and out. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> André L <andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 14, 2013 11:00 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Projet de livre en SignWriting<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr">Bonjour Erik - Hello Erika</div><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr">Voici mon exemple de texte en Langue des signes du Québec (pidgin imparfait écrit par un entendant) pour ton projet.</div><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr">Here is my text example in Québec sign language (flawed pidgin written by an hearing person) for your project.</div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"> </div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr">Voir mon texte au-bas de ton courriel. See my text below your e-mail.</div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"> </div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><blockquote
style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr">André Lemyre</div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><br>-------------------</div><div style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr">-------------------<br><br>Bonjour à toutes et à tous,<br><font face="Times New Roman">
</font> <br>Comme vous vous en rappelez peut-être, il y a quelque temps,
nous avons échangé à propos de la possibilité que les membres de cette liste de
discussion soient intéressés par la création d'un court document en "sign
writting".<span> </span>Je vais les inclure dans
un livre sur lequel je travaille.</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Ce que j'ai proposé initialement était:</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">"Que pensez-vous que nous choisissions un texte que
tous ceux d'entre vous qui le désirent pourraient traduire dans leur langue des
signes respective en utilisant le "sign writting"?<span> </span>Je pourrais consacrer un chapitre du livre
sur ces textes.<span> </span>Cela permettrait une
comparaison des différentes langues des signes et les façons d'utiliser le
"sign writting".<span> </span></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Chaque auteur pourrait partager ses réflexions sur ses choix
lors de la création du texte, incluant peut-être comment son expérience et ses
buts ont affecté ces choix (puisque certains d'entre vous sont poètes, d'autres
sont linguistes, etc.).<span> </span>Les participants
pourraient aussi partager leurs réflexions sur ce que nous pouvons apprendre de
ces textes."</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Nous avons discuté longuement sur la meilleure façon
d'initier ces textes.<span> </span>Il semblait que la
chose la plus agréable serait d'utiliser une simple image comme point de
départ,<span> </span>quelque chose qui mènerait à des
phrases intéressantes mais qui ne prendrait pas trop de votre temps à
créer.<span> </span>J'ai proposé d'utiliser les deux
images ci-jointes, en écrivant peut-être une ou deux phrases sur chacune, pour
un total de 2 à 4 phrases.</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Eh bien, je viens de recevoir une réponse d'un éditeur
potentiel qui me demande quand je pourrai lui donner un brouillon.<span> </span></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Donc, j'ai pensé qu'il vaut mieux relancer la discussion!</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Voici ce que je pense être l'idéal:</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Ceux d'entre vous qui le veulent créeraient de brefs textes
à partir des images et les publieraient dans la liste.<span> </span>Je suis intéressée non seulement par les
textes, mais aussi par la richesse des conversations sur les différentes
langues et les styles d'écriture qui en suivront.<span> </span>Comme je l'ai écrit à l'éditeur:</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">"Je vais inviter les auteurs à présenter des textes en
langue des signes écrits pour le livre et à participer à l'analyse de ces
textes".</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font><br><span> </span>Notez que, puisque c'est un projet de linguistique anthropologique,
il n'est pas nécessaire que les textes soient les mêmes - par exemple, c'est
bien si différentes personnes écrivent des phrases décrivant différents
éléments des illustrations.</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr">Donc, qu'en pensez-vous?<span>
</span>Devrions-nous essayer?</div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><div style="display:inline-block;"><span> </span><div class="yiv1892663280inlineImage" style="display:inline-block;"><img width="770" height="802" src="cid:1.449351959@web163402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"></div><span> </span></div></div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"> </div><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><div style="display:inline-block;"><span> </span><div class="yiv1892663280inlineImage" style="display:inline-block;"><img width="770" height="802" src="cid:2.449351960@web163402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"></div><span> </span></div></div><font face="Times New Roman"></font><div class="yiv1892663280ecxgmail_quote" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway<br>Assistante Professeur d'Anthropologie<br>Oberlin College
</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">--------------</div><div dir="ltr">--------------</div><div dir="ltr">--------------</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Erika, here is my text...</div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">For me, the existence of sign writing is based on one need, how we can note a
sign in order to remember it and share it.</span></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">As a hearing student in sign language, I have 3h00 classes per week and
at least 1 hour of individual study per day.<span style="">
</span>The course is based on videos installed on my PC or on-line and a few
books with pictures.<span style=""> </span>A dictionary is in
development for LSQ but it will be completed in 2018.<span style=""> </span></span></div></blockquote><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=""></span></span> </div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">When I need a word, I have to search several places and often I do not
find the sign I need.<span style=""> </span>When I do not know
a sign I use a synonym, but I feel that it is a cheap and poor way to
communicate.<span style=""> </span>Often, I see deaf people
use signs I never see.<span style=""> </span>This causes me a
high feeling of incompetence and powerless since I believe that the sign is
documented nowhere available to me.</span></div></blockquote><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "></span> </div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Sometimes, teachers present signs that differ from the videos or the
books.<span style=""> </span>Having no way to note what I see
and knowing I would not remember them, I simply gave up trying.<span style=""> </span>As I developed my vocabulary, I started
taking notes such as "this sign looks like this other one with a small
difference".<span style=""> </span></span></div></blockquote><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=""></span></span> </div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Then I found sign writing.<span style=""> </span>It is
long to learn.<span style=""> </span>It took me between 3
and 6 months to be able to write a sign in 5 minutes (with mistakes!).<span style=""> </span>During that period, I spent little time
reviewing my vocabulary.<span style=""> </span>I have to watch
videos several times and I rely on hints provided by sign writing studio.<span style=""> </span>I still have difficulties with direction
arrows of the arm and the wrist.<span style=""> </span>At
first I wrote approximations of signs that were good enough to be recopied
after class.<span style=""> </span>In class, the teacher signs
fast, it is hard to find the time to take notes or write signs.<span style=""> </span>Still, if I take no note, I fear I will not
learn through repetition.<span style=""> </span>I still take
notes such as "this sign looks like this other one with a small
difference" and often I add the best sign writing I can. </span></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Then I copy these notes for other students (only five) as an effort to
improve.<span style=""> </span>They do not know sign writing,
a part of this effort is wasted at present.</span></div></blockquote><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "></span> </div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I found a sign writing convention at the university.<span style=""> </span>The take 1, 2 or 3 pictures, they add
direction arrows and detail the hand configurations, orientations and
movements.<span style=""> </span>This takes a whole page for
one sign.<span style=""> </span>Most of the information is
within the pictures.</span></div></blockquote><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "></span> </div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">It seems simpler for me to write a sign than take a picture of myself
and edit it.<span style=""> </span>Still, this would require
writing the sign that I see before taking the pictures.<span style=""> </span>I cannot avoid the note taking part.</span></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">My Québec sign language (with pidgin) text is a follow:</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">child him room his.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">dog frog his.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">him happy.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">in front bed, in bottle, frog</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">it wait what? night.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">why? </span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman">
</font></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">when all sleep, it flee with boot magic seven place.</span></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "></span> </div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This text uses rhetorical questions, positioning of characters in space, and swapped order of words compared to French... all of which are a difficulty for hearing people.</span></div><div class="yiv1892663280MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;line-height:normal;" dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
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