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Hi Stefan,<br>
Thanks for sharing your point of view. I didn't mean to open a
can of worms. I know you and others have mentioned this previously
I still don't quite fully understand the issue. <br>
<br>
For the symbols in the second row, could you draw me how you feel
the symbols should look like for this handshape?<br>
<br>
This doesn't have to do with my previous question for searching but
just the same I am still interested in understanding this issue. I
do see how the thumb on the other side of the hand looks like
contortionism (so in a way I agree with you) but I don't understand
how you would draw it otherwise while maintaining a distinction
between this handshape and one with the thumb pointing down.<br>
<br>
I enjoy reading your comments here on the list.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jonathan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/20/2013 1:57 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Hi Valerie, Jonathan and
friends, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Perhaps it is good to
know that every five years or so we open this can of worms
again and again ... </span></font><span class="hps"><span
lang="EN">There are some</span></span><span lang="EN"> <span
class="hps">symbols for</span> <span class="hps">hand
shapes</span> <span class="hps">that are</span> <span
class="hps">not accepted by all</span> <span class="hps">experienced</span>
<span class="hps">writers</span> <span class="hps">in
this way.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">I do not understand and
my brain refuses to accept the writing in the second line
... the right thumb
looking as if sticking out to the left is extremely
confusing to me. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">I would never use this
symbol to indicate the right hand... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Just to add a comment ...
everybody is free to write as he wants to smile – (I know)
but
nevertheless – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">In this case it looks as
if there is a “rule” since this graphic and photo shows
up in a “manual”
and as if people who would not follow would not know how
to do it correctly ...
smile <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">Perhaps there is a way to
identify and mark these symbols that are still a problemn
to some of us. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"
lang="EN-GB">All best Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:windowtext"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b><span
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b>
Freitag, 20. September
2013 19:12<br>
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Finger Direction Is
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New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Val and Adam,<br>
I have a question about the "Finger Direction Is
Meaningful" pages in the "SignWriting Hand Symbols" manual
and
the "American Sign Language Hand Symbols" manual.<br>
<br>
I understand the these handshapes and positions can we
written either like the left column or the right column.
Is this only
true in the case of the top view of the back of the hand
pointing
forward? I see that ALL the examples are the top view of
the back of the
hand pointing forward. Also, would this be true of all
handshapes or just
the one you have listed on the "Finger Direction Is
Meaningful"
pages?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
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