<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>September 20, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Jonathan, Nancy and Stefan -</div><div><br></div><div>Thank so much Nancy, for your answer, which is perfect. That is the way that we are using these symbols. We just recognize them as parallel with the floor, and they are readable to us.</div><div><br></div><div>And thank you, Stefan, for I believe your suggestion? that we change the Heel of Hand symbols someday?</div><div><br></div><div>If I have understood your question… you would prefer that the Heel of Hand symbols, which are Front View, have no gap between the finger and the base of the hand since they are not Top View? That would be a change to the symbols in the ISWA 2010, and the software developers are using the ISWA 2010. So Jonathan has no choice but to use them as they are.</div><div><br></div><div>But if you choose to use the Heel of Hand symbols, and you want to fill that little gap between the finger lines and the base of the hand, you are welcome to do so - just find a little line under Finger Lines in the ISWA 2010 and fill the gap yourself…</div><div><br></div><div>If we ever solidify a new symbol set…maybe the ISWA 2020…who knows?! we can consider changing the symbols if there are many people who feel they need it, but for some reason these symbols feel right to me… I guess I am just used to them...</div><div><br></div><div>The Heel of Hand Symbols are old symbols that were used maybe three decades ago - while I was in Denmark for example, and we were using stick figures, we had the Heel of Hand symbols…in the 1980's. The Top View didn't exist at that time, so when I brought the old Heel of Hand symbols back into the ISWA 2010, I never thought of this …for me I thought they looked really readable…</div><div><br></div><div>So Jonathan - Regarding searching in your software…let me still find you the pages in the book…they are coming…</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Romero <<a href="mailto:romero@signwriting.org">romero@signwriting.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><base href="x-msg://415/"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">yes; sorry that I don't understand your message. <div><br><div><div>On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Of course ... but we look from behind ....like towards the wall plane. ;-))<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Romero<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Freitag, 20. September 2013 22:08<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Heel of Hand or Top View</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">it's still parallel to the floor<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">:c)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">stefanwoehrmann@GOOGLEMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Hi all,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">I cannot follow the symbols in the second line ( flat hand with thumb) either...<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">It does not make sense to me to show the gap of the thumb if I am not looking from Top View ...<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">All best<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Stefan<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">Von:</span></font></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> </span></font></span><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Languages [mailto:SW-<a href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Im Auftrag von<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Jonathan Duncan<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Freitag, 20. September 2013 19:20<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">An:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Betreff:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Heel of Hand or Top View</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><u1:p></u1:p><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Hi Val and Adam,<br> I also have a question about the "Heel of Hand or Top View" where we can use either handshape. Are these only interchangeable when parallel to the Floor Plane and pointing straight forward? And only for flat hands or fist, or specifically just for the ones listed in chapter 11?<br><br><image001.gif><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">--<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><image002.jpg><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">email:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a><br> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:joyoduncan@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">joyoduncan@gmail.com</a><br>Cel Honduras: (504)3141-1171<br>Tel USA: (347)875-8442<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Skype: yojoduncan<br><br><a href="http://www.signwriterstudio.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">SignWriter Studio</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span></font></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>