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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Adam, Charles...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>thanks for your
comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... the </span></font><span
lang=EN-GB>Digitus minimus (manus), is still in contact with the palm. ...But
what if not??? Uuups- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Following the idea of “hand shape constraction
we would start with the flat hand – “house” ... right Valerie
..since no finger would touch the palm. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I remember the discussion
with a group of designers in our team. They looked carefully at the symbols and
discussed improvements in order to give all the symbols a consistent look ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Perhaps this symbol would
/ should become a candidate for that .smile. The professional designers would
ask for the reason that the thumb is of different lenght and angle compared to
other similar symbols.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I myself have a problem
that compared with many, many other symbols of the ISWA the line of the index
is not at the same level of the line of the square. This may be a reason that I
could not find a symbol that I was looking for. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you compare the two
options I probably would vote for the second graphic ;-)) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ISWA symbol <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Possible new design <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCI</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>ACOLLEGE.EDU]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Adam Frost<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Sonntag, 29. September
2013 15:39<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find this
symbol:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" <<a
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There are various online-video – tutorials that
show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol
set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing “nine” <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey
bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape
without to much effort) <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><image001.jpg> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What do you think about my attempt to construct this
hand shape? <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>All best <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Stefan <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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