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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><br>Hello Jonathan,<BR> <BR>thank you for the work around.<BR>I will try it this weekend.<BR>I will try to contact Steve to assist me because I have over a hundred signs to process.<BR>I have many more signs in draft in SignWriter studio.<BR> <BR>Also, I tried sign bank 85 but I could never upload the Québec Sign language files I copied from Sign puddle, so I gave up. I would have like to build a dictionnary.<BR> <BR> <BR>André Lemyre<BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:29:30 -0600<br>From: duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA<br>Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br>
Hi Andre,<br>
When exporting from SignWriter Studio to Sign Puddle there is no
way to directly to a SignMaker entry. This is a limitation of
SignPuddle. I have run into this limitation myself personally trying
to add and modify sign to the puddle from SignWriter Studio.
SignPuddle doesn't yet have adequate import/export or synching
capabilities. I have written to Steve about it but he hasn't been
able to make it a priority yet.<br>
If you just have a few signs then this is they way to do it.<br>
<ol>
<li>In SignWriter Studio when positioned on the sign, click
Edit/Copy/Copy Sign to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C. It
shows the sign in SignPuddle in your browser.</li>
<li>Click on the puddle you want to save to.</li>
<li>In Terms type "temp"</li>
<li>Click Add</li>
<li>Click Copy Sign From SignText</li>
<li>Click Copy Sign</li>
<li>Click on SignPuddle you want to save to</li>
<li>In Terms type in the term for the sign</li>
<li>Click Add</li>
<li>Click on Search by Words or Search by Signs </li>
<li>In Terms and Titles type "temp"</li>
<li>Click on temp</li>
<li>Click Delete Entry</li>
<li>Click Delete Entry</li>
</ol>
<br>
<br>
Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export to an SPML file if he
can add them for you.<br>
<br>
I hope his helps<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/2013 11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton
wrote:<br>
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<div>Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -</div>
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<div>No worries everyone. Thank you for your messages. And thank
you for bringing this issue up, which as far as I know, from my
experience, is specific between the two programs: SignWriter
Studio and SignPuddle. I noticed this issue myself a long time
ago and did mention it once to Jonathan, but there is so much to
do it got sidetracked. It seems that exporting signs from the
SignWriter Studio dictionary end up as SignText in SignPuddle
instead of dictionary entries…so the signs are not made with
SignMaker, but instead with SignWriter Studio's dictionary, but
they need to end up as the equivalent to signs made with
SignMaker… not as SignText …so we need both Jonathan's and
Steve's help with this one -</div>
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<div>Thank you, Andre, by the way, for your documents - they are
charming! And thank you for pointing this out to us -</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Charles Butler <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div><span>IF this does not work from a compatible
program then the compatibility program of the major
SignWriting programs need to all be made compatible.
I know that this is a challenge, but making a new
signwriting translator without a compatibility check
seems a little futile. If the main database can't
retrieve the words, then the point of Open Source is
not being fulfilled. </span></div>
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<div style='font-family: tahoma, "new york", times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'>To do Open Source means that all
output from a given input must be compatible to the
central databank, in the case, SignBank, SignPuddle,
and all of those others created. </div>
<div style='font-family: tahoma, "new york", times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><br>
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<div style='font-family: tahoma, "new york", times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'>Is it not part of the spec of
importing signs? Is there not a command to say "which
of the following compatible programs are you using to
import to SignPuddle?" "have you contact Steve
Slevinski to ensure that the program will in fact
import your signs in a form that is acceptable to the
data retrieval function."</div>
<div style='font-family: tahoma, "new york", times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><br>
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<div style='font-family: tahoma, "new york", times, serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'>Else, it is a very large
learning curve. </div>
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<div>Charles Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
240-764-5748<br>
Clear writing moves business forward.</div>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Stephen E Slevinski Jr <<a href="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET">slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: Sign puddle online does not translate
existing words<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
<br>
Many of the words I entered in sign puddle
using sign studio are not displayed in the
translate feature.<br>
Only the words are displayed without sign.<br>
However, with a seach on the same words,
the sign is displayed.<br>
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Hi Andre,<br>
<br>
The translate feature works with individual
signs that were created in SignMaker. <br>
<br>
The translate feature does not work with sign
texts that were created with SignText.<br>
<br>
Looking at the "assis" entry:<br>
<a class="ecxyiv9907572040moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400</a><br>
<br>
<img width="395" height="230" id="ecx51310a9c-289b-486e-b797-184cbf168c13" alt="" src="cid:part6.04060506.08030805@yahoo.ca"><br>
<br>
The sign is boxed and a lower font size. This
indicates it was created with SignText. Under
the "Source", you can see the "SignText data"
links. This sign will not work in the current
translate.<br>
<br>
Here is "assistant" in the same dictionary.<br>
<br>
<img width="429" height="211" id="ecxf9aeb7cf-1b12-4d5f-be76-9d5dc7b522f8" alt="" src="cid:part7.04080501.08000705@yahoo.ca"><br>
<br>
Notice that it is not boxed and a larger font
size. This indicates is was created with
SignMaker. Under the "Search.." links, you
can see the "Sign data" links. This sign will
work in translate.<br>
<br>
<br>
So that's the problem. You say you created
this with "sign studio". Are you talking
about Jonathan's SignWriter Studio? Or did
you use SignText?<br>
<br>
The solution is to move the signs from the
sign text area to individual signs. I'm not
sure the best way to do this.<br>
<br>
How many entries are like this?<br>
<br>
Regards, </div>
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