<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>October 10, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Jonathan!</div><div>This is very exciting indeed. If I understand this correctly, when people enter new signs in the dictionary in SignWriter Studio, they will be able to associate the sign with different Sign Lists…for example, the sign for CHAIR could be in the Sign Lists for FURNITURE and HOUSEHOLD. So each sign could belong to multiple Sign Lists. Then the user chooses the Sign List FURNITURE, and the sign for CHAIR will be listed there with other signs for furniture. Then the user can print the Sign List. Can the PDF automatically place a title at the top saying something like "Signs for Furniture in _______Sign Language" , with page numbers?</div><div><br></div><div>Can signs from SignPuddle be imported into the SignWriter Studio dictionary?</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>--------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 10, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    Hi all,<br>
        please feel free to give point of view and suggestions.<br>
    <br>
    Hello André <br>
        This is a revised list of functionality for making technical
    dictionaries for printout from the entries in the current SignWriter
    Studio Dictionary from our emails off the list.  We could call these
    technical dictionaries "Sign Lists" or "Glossaries" or "Topics". 
    Look forward to input from members on the list.<br>
    <br>
    Features for first version<br>
    <ul>
      <li>Create a new window to show the list of signs in for each
        "Sign List".<br>
      </li>
      <li><img alt="" id="5b14414d-e6cc-4b78-b8f0-091de483497a" height="519" width="867" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:part1.02040600.04070003@yahoo.ca"></li>
      <li>Click on Add Sign will bring up the Dictionary which can be
        searched, then the signs selected to be added to the current
        "Sign List".</li>
      <li>Sign Lists automatically saved to Dictionary file.</li>
      <li>Can select paper size.<br>
      </li>
      <li>Print Layout</li>
      <ul>
        <li><img alt="" height="1243" width="960" id="3420cf46-4a2a-48b7-bb49-926525f1ed1a" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:part2.08040400.09060703@yahoo.ca">Two columns<br>
        </li>
        <li>Words (gloss) at the top of each entry in bold</li>
        <li>SignWriting, with Illustration of what it is beside it.</li>
        <li>Keep all entries together, not split across two pages.</li>
        <li>Shrink SignWriting and Illustration if they don't fit the
          column width</li>
        <li>Signs sorted by word (gloss)<br>
        </li>
        <li>Roman numeral page numbering</li>
      </ul>
    </ul>
    Possible future features<br>
    <ul>
      <li>Screen paging. The complete list would not be loaded, at most
        100 at a time to not overload the memory.</li>
      <li>In the Dictionary add a place for full spoken language
        description.<br>
      </li>
      <li>Option to printout or not description</li>
      <li>Option to printout secondary language also (bilingual option
        example English and French along with the sign)</li>
      <li>Option to split output into several files. There may be a
        problem with PDF: with 10 signs per page we have 800 pages of
        ASL dictionary full of drawings and several pictures.  Low
        resolution sign images are required.  It may be problematic to
        load 800 pages in adobe to see 1 single word... Possibly split
        the dictionary in 5 or 24 documents.</li>
      <li>Extra pages either make them or option to include pre-made
        pages in PDF.<br>
      </li>
      <ul>
        <li>The user should be able to create a cover page with text of
          several lines, and image, several line.</li>
        <li>Second page, the editor name, the date, copyright to Valerie
          and you and pointer to internet sites.</li>
        <li>Several pages of introduction text prior to the dictionary
          itself.</li>
      </ul>
      <li>Possible a table of content or pointers to jump to a chosen
        letter (table of content being undefined until the page count is
        completed).</li>
      <li>Possibly the first word of each page in the top left corner to
        browse fast through a paper document.</li>
      <li>Sort signs by Symbol</li>
    </ul><p>Let me know your thoughts and suggestions.<br>
    </p><p>Thanks<br>
      Jonathan<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/4/2013 10:26 AM, André L wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hello Duncan,<br>
         <br>
        thank you for your interest in supporting dictionary generation
        with SignWriter Studio.  I like this software a lot.<br>
         <br>
        This is my main interest in sign writing.  I whish to support
        access to rich vocabulary for interpreters, parents or hearing
        educator to improve the quality of the communication with deaf
        people.  The second aspect is to develop highly technical
        dictionaries for students and interpreters to avoid re-inventing
        custom signs all the time.<br>
         <br>
        I am a software tester (13 years of experience).  Do you want to
        discuss specifications, test case suite...  The user guide could
        be a starting point...<br>
         <br>
        It will be important to be able to exclude signs or words from
        such dictionary ( in LSQ sign puddle we have plenty of plural
        and feminin version of the same word and conjugated verbs).<br>
         <br>
         <br>
        André Lemyre<br>
         <br>
        <div>
          <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:01:52 -0600<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a><br>
          Subject: Re: Creating a dictionnary<br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
          <br>
          Hi André,   <br>
              Way back I wrote a program called ASL List that did
          exactly what you want but it was limited it only had so many
          signs.  So I decided to and SignWriting to it and then came
          about SignWriter Studio.  <br>
          <br>
          Presently that feature isn't working but I will work on that
          next now that someone else is also interested!!!  <br>
          <br>
          Jonathan<br>
          <br>
          <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/2013 7:09 PM, André L
            wrote:<br>
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               Hello Valerie,<br>
              I would like to know how to create a paper dictionary
              (like a book) by importing ALL LSQ signs from sign
              puddle.  I could show that to collegue students,
              interpreters and use it myself.<br>
               <br>
              Also, can we develop a technical dictionary (like for a
              student electrician) that will also be part of the main
              dictionary?<br>
              Would there be a way to gather a pdf subset of the
              main dictionary that the student could share with several
              interpreters working with him-her?<br>
               <br>
              André Lemyre<br>
              <div>
                <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:30:46
                -0700<br>
                From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
                Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate
                existing words<br>
                To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
                <br>
                SignWriting List
                <div>October 2, 2013</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Hello Andre, and Andre, Steve and Jonathan!</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>So ….we have some wonderful software that needs to
                  be better coordinated - but both programs by
                  themselves work well. Right now, Steve needs to
                  complete the new SinPuddle 3 and get it uploaded,
                  because it also contains new features that everyone
                  wants, and it has taken longer than expected to
                  complete the software…</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Regarding creating your own dictionaries, there is
                  not only SignWriter Studio, but also the
                  PersonalPuddle, and Private Web Puddles, and you can
                  also use SignPuddle Online and label your signs as
                  yours in the Source and those signs could always be
                  transferred to SignWriter Studio maybe? can one
                  reverse the process? - ha! In time, all these programs
                  will work well together I am sure…both Jonathan and
                  Steve work for very little pay and are working hard to
                  make the programs work well -</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>So for now, I would either use the workaround that
                  Jonathan suggested, or edit the signs in SignText, not
                  SignMaker… let me test this myself - I am sorry I have
                  not done that yet -</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>SignBank would not work with this because it has
                  not been updated for years but I want to update it in
                  the future -</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Val ;-)</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>----</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                  <div>
                    <div>On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:20 PM, André L <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>>

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                          Hello Jonathan,<br>
                           <br>
                          thank you for the work around.<br>
                          I will try it this weekend.<br>
                          I will try to contact Steve to assist me
                          because I have over a hundred signs to
                          process.<br>
                          I have many more signs in draft in SignWriter
                          studio.<br>
                           <br>
                          Also, I tried sign bank 85 but I could never
                          upload the Québec Sign language files I copied
                          from Sign puddle, so I gave up.   I would have
                          like to build a dictionnary.<br>
                           <br>
                           <br>
                          André Lemyre<br>
                          <div>
                            <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 2 Oct
                            2013 16:29:30 -0600<br>
                            From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a><br>
                            Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not
                            translate existing words<br>
                            To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Hi Andre,<br>
                               When exporting from SignWriter Studio to
                            Sign Puddle there is no way to directly to a
                            SignMaker entry. This is a limitation of
                            SignPuddle. I have run into this limitation
                            myself personally trying to add and modify
                            sign to the puddle from SignWriter Studio. 
                            SignPuddle doesn't yet have adequate
                            import/export or synching capabilities.   I
                            have written to Steve about it but he hasn't
                            been able to make it a priority yet.<br>
                            If you just have a few signs then this is
                            they way to do it.<br>
                            <ol>
                              <li>In SignWriter Studio when positioned
                                on the sign, click Edit/Copy/Copy Sign
                                to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C.  It
                                shows the sign in SignPuddle in your
                                browser.</li>
                              <li>Click on the puddle you want to save
                                to.</li>
                              <li>In Terms type "temp"</li>
                              <li>Click Add</li>
                              <li>Click Copy Sign From SignText</li>
                              <li>Click Copy Sign</li>
                              <li>Click on SignPuddle you want to save
                                to</li>
                              <li>In Terms type in the term for the sign</li>
                              <li>Click Add</li>
                              <li>Click on Search by Words or Search by
                                Signs</li>
                              <li>In Terms and Titles type "temp"</li>
                              <li>Click on temp</li>
                              <li>Click Delete Entry</li>
                              <li>Click Delete Entry</li>
                            </ol>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export
                            to an SPML file if he can add them for you.<br>
                            <br>
                            I hope his helps<br>
                            <br>
                            Regards,<br>
                            Jonathan<br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 10/2/2013
                              11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:<br>
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                              <div>October 2, 2013</div>
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                              <div>Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>No worries everyone. Thank you for
                                your messages. And thank you for
                                bringing this issue up, which as far as
                                I know, from my experience, is specific
                                between the two programs: SignWriter
                                Studio and SignPuddle. I noticed this
                                issue myself a long time ago and did
                                mention it once to Jonathan, but there
                                is so much to do it got sidetracked. It
                                seems that exporting signs from the
                                SignWriter Studio dictionary end up as
                                SignText in SignPuddle instead of
                                dictionary entries…so the signs are not
                                made with SignMaker, but instead with
                                SignWriter Studio's dictionary, but they
                                need to end up as the equivalent to
                                signs made with SignMaker… not as
                                SignText …so we need both Jonathan's and
                                Steve's help with this one -</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Thank you, Andre, by the way, for
                                your documents - they are charming! And
                                thank you for pointing this out to us -</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Val ;-)</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>--------</div>
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                                  <div>On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM,
                                    Charles Butler <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>>

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                                        <div><span>IF this does not work
                                            from a compatible program
                                            then the compatibility
                                            program of the major
                                            SignWriting programs need to
                                            all be made compatible. I
                                            know that this is a
                                            challenge, but making a new
                                            signwriting translator
                                            without a compatibility
                                            check seems a little futile.
                                            If the main database can't
                                            retrieve the words, then the
                                            point of Open Source is not
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                                          Source means that all output
                                          from a given input must be
                                          compatible to the central
                                          databank, in the case,
                                          SignBank, SignPuddle, and all
                                          of those others created. </div>
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                                          "new york", times,
                                          serif; font-size: 16px;
                                          font-style: normal;
                                          background-color:
                                          transparent;">Is it not part
                                          of the spec of importing
                                          signs? Is there not a command
                                          to say "which of the following
                                          compatible programs are you
                                          using to import to
                                          SignPuddle?" "have you contact
                                          Steve Slevinski to ensure that
                                          the program will in fact
                                          import your signs in a form
                                          that is acceptable to the data
                                          retrieval function."</div>
                                        <div style="font-family: tahoma,
                                          "new york", times,
                                          serif; font-size: 16px;
                                          font-style: normal;
                                          background-color:
                                          transparent;"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="font-family: tahoma,
                                          "new york", times,
                                          serif; font-size: 16px;
                                          font-style: normal;
                                          background-color:
                                          transparent;">Else, it is a
                                          very large learning curve. </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>Charles Butler<br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
                                          240-764-5748<br>
                                          Clear writing moves business
                                          forward.</div>
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                                          "new york", times,
                                          serif; font-size: 12pt;">
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                                            "times new roman",
                                            "new york", times,
                                            serif; font-size: 12pt;">
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                                              <hr size="1"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:
                                                    bold;">From:</span></b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen E Slevinski Jr <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET">slevin@SIGNPUDDLE.NET</a>><br>
                                                <b><span style="font-weight:
                                                    bold;">To:</span></b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                                <b><span style="font-weight:
                                                    bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03
                                                PM<br>
                                                <b><span style="font-weight:
                                                    bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Sign puddle online does not
                                                translate existing words<br>
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                                                    On 10/2/13 11:37 AM,
                                                    André L wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
                                                       <br>
                                                      Many of the words
                                                      I entered in sign
                                                      puddle using sign
                                                      studio are not
                                                      displayed in the
                                                      translate feature.<br>
                                                      Only the words are
                                                      displayed without
                                                      sign.<br>
                                                      However, with a
                                                      seach on the same
                                                      words, the sign is
                                                      displayed.<br>
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                                                  Hi Andre,<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The translate feature
                                                  works with individual
                                                  signs that were
                                                  created in SignMaker.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The translate feature
                                                  does not work with
                                                  sign texts that were
                                                  created with SignText.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Looking at the "assis"
                                                  entry:<br>
                                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxyiv9907572040moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                     <span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><img id="ecx51310a9c-289b-486e-b797-184cbf168c13" alt="" height="230" width="395" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:part13.06050907.05070000@yahoo.ca"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The sign is boxed and
                                                  a lower font size. 
                                                  This indicates it was
                                                  created with
                                                  SignText.  Under the
                                                  "Source", you can see
                                                  the "SignText data"
                                                  links.  This sign will
                                                  not work in the
                                                  current translate.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Here is "assistant" in
                                                  the same dictionary.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <img id="ecxf9aeb7cf-1b12-4d5f-be76-9d5dc7b522f8" alt="" height="211" width="429" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:part14.03030604.04090300@yahoo.ca"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Notice that it is not
                                                  boxed and a larger
                                                  font size.  This
                                                  indicates is was
                                                  created with
                                                  SignMaker.  Under the
                                                  "Search.." links, you
                                                  can see the "Sign
                                                  data" links.  This
                                                  sign will work in
                                                  translate.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  So that's the
                                                  problem.  You say you
                                                  created this with
                                                  "sign studio".  Are
                                                  you talking about
                                                  Jonathan's SignWriter
                                                  Studio?  Or did you
                                                  use SignText?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The solution is to
                                                  move the signs from
                                                  the sign text area to
                                                  individual signs.  I'm
                                                  not sure the best way
                                                  to do this.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  How many entries are
                                                  like this?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Regards,</div>
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                              Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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                            ________________________________________________

                            <div style="padding: 0px;">SIGNWRITING LIST
                              INFORMATION</div>
                            <div style="padding: 0px;">Valerie Sutton
                              SignWriting List moderator<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a></div>
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                        ________________________________________________
                        <div style="padding: 0px;">SIGNWRITING LIST
                          INFORMATION</div>
                        <div style="padding: 0px;">Valerie Sutton
                          SignWriting List moderator<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a></div>
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            Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>
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          <p>
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