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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Valerie and friends...
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>well James I feel very
proud to read your comment. People should know that it has been James Shepard –
Kegl with his work in Nicaragua who made me believe that SignWriting will
change the world for my deaf students... and it is long ago that we typed lots
and lots of DOS documents with the good old SW4.4 Programm...At that time
(almost ten years ago) I studied several SW – dictionaries of different SL of
the world in order to get a feeling for how to arrange the symbols for the
entries. Good to know that there are some more documents from old times. Personally
I feel lucky to find this one... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Romero<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 6. November
2013 20:50<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Genesis of
SignWriting</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Right after Valerie :c)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Nov 6, 2013, at 11:25 AM, James Shepard <<a
href="mailto:kegl@MAINE.RR.COM">kegl@MAINE.RR.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Well…this discovery
will certainly shake up the linguistic world – back to the drawing board on
everything we thought we knew about language evolution and early
civilizations. You could get a Nobel prize for this, Stefan!<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>n</span></font><font size=1 color="#1f497d"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>James<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-<a
href="mailto:L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></font></a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Valerie
Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, November 6, 2013 2:17 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></font></a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: Genesis of SignWriting<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>November 6, 2013<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ha! This is gorgeous and also with whimsy,
Stefan…Thank you for this….There is a DanceWriting figure taking a bow on one
knee on the bottom of the dress of the figure on the left - very cute!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Did you know, when the SignWriting Script was
categorized as one of the world’s scripts by the International Bureau of
Standardization (ISO) in 2006 (</span></font><font face=Helvetica><span
lang=EN-US style='font-family:Helvetica'> <a
href="http://www.unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>http://www.unicode.org/iso15924/iso15924-codes.html</span></font></a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>)</span></font><span lang=EN-US>, the
discussion was at the time that we were similar to Hieroglyphics… I questioned
that but then there was not a good way to categorize SignWriting but as a
“Featural Alphabet” like Korean Hangul ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Val ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>———<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Honza <<a
href="mailto:honza@ruce.cz"><font color=purple><span style='color:purple'>honza@ruce.cz</span></font></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Nice work Stefan :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Honza<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><u1:p><font size=3
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 6 November 2013 18:38, Stefan Woehrmann <<a
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" target="_blank"><font
color=purple><span style='color:purple'>stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</span></font></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Honza, Valerie and
everybody...</span></font><span lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>when I did this kind of
research a decade ago I found some very interesting documents that may lead to
the assumption that SignWriting is a notation system that existed already long
time ago... smile</span></font><span lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>L.I.F.E</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All best</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan </span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>SignWriting List: Read and Write
Sign Languages [mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"
target="_blank"><font color=purple><span style='color:purple'>SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></font></a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im
Auftrag von<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Valerie
Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Mittwoch, 6. November 2013 17:54<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank"><font
color=purple><span style='color:purple'>SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</span></font></a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: Genesis of SignWriting</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>SignWriting List<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>November 6, 2013<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello Honza and everyone -<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you for starting this interesting thread, about the “genesis” or
the background and history not only to SignWriting, but to writing sign
languages throughout history. There is a lot to discuss.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt'>Regarding Roch-Ambroise Auguste Bébian…<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I first heard about Bébian’s system in September 2007, when my
friend Shane Gilchrist (hi Shane!) suggested that I purchase a book called “I
See a Voice” by Jonathan Rée. I ordered it from<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://amazon.com/"
target="_blank"><font color=purple><span style='color:purple'>Amazon.com</span></font></a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>and then enjoyed skimming the chapters
related to writing sign languages, from page 293-324. It was there that I first
learned about Bébian, but I was immediately attracted to his system and his
feelings about writing sign languages and felt a “connection” (you know what I
mean - almost a spiritual feeling that we were on the same plane, so to speak).
And there are many other interesting stories and information in the book which
makes me think I should read the book more carefully - I confess I have only
skimmed the book.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>But yes, Honza, I see the connection, but no, I did not know about
Bébian at the time of my first writing Danish Sign Language and a South Pacific
Sign Language back in Denmark in 1974, 1975 and 1976.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I was a little different than the other developers of writing systems,
in that I did not come from a knowledge of any sign language, nor did I have a
desire to learn linguistics. I loved languages in general, but that is not a
linguistic interest. I was already writing the dances of the Bournonville
tradition at the Royal Theater in Copenhagen with my invention in 1974, and
when I started writing the movement of both hearing people and Danish Sign
Language from a video at the University of Copenhagen starting in 1974, I was
sharing my time between writing dance at the Royal theater and writing sign
language movement and hearing-person’s gestures at the University - I saw
myself as a movement notator and not a sign language writer at the time…but
overtime, as I wrote more of Danish Sign Language on the video, I became aware
it was a real language…I self-published two booklets on writing sign languages
- one on writing Danish Sign Language, and the other on writing signs from a
South Pacific Island with Rolf Kuschel. These two booklets are mentioned on
this web page, and I could scan them and post them on the web if you wish…would
you like to see these old historic documents?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My influence was definitely Friedrich Albert Zorn (<span
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href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Albert_Zorn" target="_blank"><font
color=purple><span style='color:purple'>http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Albert_Zorn</span></font></a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>), and Walt Disney’s animation that
places movement in drawings frame by frame by frame from left to right on a
five-lined staff that can fit under music… That was my starting point…<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Then I started writing sign language in stick figures at the University
go Copenhagen… Later I learned about Dr.Stokoe and his research…<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think starting visual with stick figures, with no linguistic
judgements, had great value, and I still believe in the visual, but it is the
writers we work with, like yourself, Honza, and in my case, the Deaf Action
Committee, that had the greatest influence on our writing expressively, in
vertical columns, without full stick figures…the way we write today…and the
internet had a big influence…where I and others meet people like yourself - as
we write we influence each other...<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I bet there were many other writing systems for sign languages before
and after Bébian, that we have not heard of, because everyone needs a way to
write signs… Adam tells me that most signers have developed their own way of
writing their language from time to time…Adam developed his own system too,
before starting to work with SignWriting, and I have also met other Deaf
signers who have done the same - Bernard Bragg is one -<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If Bébian had done his work during the age of the internet, we might be
writing his system worldwide now - smile -<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>recently I researched history if writing sign languages and I realized
that the very first writing system developed by Roch-Ambroise Auguste Bébian
(French) is in some way similar to SignWriting.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Did you know about Bebian's writing system by the time you developed
SignWriting on the basis of DanceWriting and were you inspired by his system or
not?<br>
It is known that Stokoe created his notation system on the basis of Bebian's.. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It interests me because I teach about writing sign languages at
University, but I haven't found enought detail about this.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><span
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Valerie
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Valerie
Sutton SignWriting List moderator<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><font color=purple><span style='color:
purple'>sutton@signwriting.org</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Post
Messages to the SignWriting List:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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List Archives & Home Page<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Valerie
Sutton SignWriting List moderator<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><font color=purple><span style='color:
purple'>sutton@signwriting.org</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Post
Messages to the SignWriting List:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist"><font color=purple><span
style='color:purple'>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Valerie Sutton
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Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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SignWriting List Archives & Home Page
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
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Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages
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SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
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Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton@signwriting.org
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Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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SignWriting List Archives & Home Page
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
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Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages
http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1