<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Stefan and Edi,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Hold it, Im showing the hands facing upwards, that's what a back of hand STRIPE on the hands shows. It's facing UPWARDS. Not BACK, and the fingers are pointing UP. I went through the options and the split hand is what SIDE VIEW is. I see the fingers aren't attached, so it is causing confusion. Let me try again. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;
"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>I'm on a computer that doesn't have the right software, I'll try to fix it. I was doing a quick fix and it didn't work. Sorry about that. I can see the variant, but this Mac doesn't have Firefox. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>I will fix it and repost. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new
york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 8, 2013 12:57 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: How can we write ...?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv2699616692"><style>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Hi Charles, </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">I look at the first sign ..</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Well I do not know what
should be done .. I did not read any description or could not find any video...
;-(</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Nevertheless .... it is
almost impossible to perform this ... back of hands toward the body moving down
???? ouch! </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">What do you think? </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Stefan</span></font></div>
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List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Freitag, 8. November
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma; ">Sign
first - dystrophy. From your description, to show the fingers in the position
you want, I find the edge-on position the easiest to understand. This has the
palm from the side so the lower half is black with the upper white. In
addition, the description doesn't have the hands touch so they need to have
separate paths. </span></font></div>
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<img id="yiv2699616692_x0000_i1025" width="136" height="121" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M58x51S37606n58xn46S16c40n47xn30S20800n49xn50S18146n7xn1S1814e29x0S22b0437x21S22b143x18&pad=10&name=dystrophy"></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma; ">Sign second - your question was how to
show movement forward while keeping the hand in place, sort of like a hinge. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma; "><img id="yiv2699616692_x0000_i1026" width="81" height="97" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M43x60S2ff00n18xn17S1ec0en9x37S2f900n6x24S2c30017x18&pad=10&name=star"></span></font><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: black; font-family: Tahoma; ">one,
the right hand was backward. the thumb is the shorter hook. </span></font><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="color: black; font-family: Tahoma; ">To show
that the hand remains in contact, use the pressure ~ mark. This holds the hand
in place while it rotates forward. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma; ">Here is an example from Brazilian sign
language, the sign for jello (gelatino) where the hand trembles. </span></font></div>
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that both hands are showed edge on so that it doesn't get confusing for the
reader. </span></font><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="color: black; font-family: Tahoma; ">The top hand touches the bottom hand, and presses on the
bottom hand. There is movement but it is of the fingers (the little arrows) the
combination of * and ~ ensures that the hands remain in contact and pressing.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma; ">Charles
Butler<br clear="none">
chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br clear="none">
240-764-5748<br clear="none">
Clear writing moves business forward.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv2699616692MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-weight: bold; font-family: Arial; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "> Edi Strouhal
<e.strouhal@GMAIL.COM><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 7, 2013
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Hello!<br clear="none">
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First: in attach I send You questions concerned for writing a sign in SZJ<br clear="none">
(Slovenian sign language). <br clear="none">
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Second: Is it possible to make a fonts for Slovenian sign alphabet?<br clear="none">
Our alphabet is some different from ASL. Our deaf donīt understand ASL<br clear="none">
alphabet at all. In attach I send you SLOVENIAN ALPHABET. This my question<br clear="none">
is only for information.<br clear="none">
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Thank you for your advice and help. Greetings from sunshine Ljubljana. Edi.<br clear="none">
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