<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">SignWriting List<div>November 8, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Edi, Charles and Stefan -</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you, Charles, for writing these signs again and explaining your writing. I like the way you wrote the signs, and I appreciate it that you took the time to do this - I was really glad you mentioned the two paths for the right and left hands’ movement -</div><div><br></div><div>Later today I will write it too, and maybe Stefan will too? It will be fun to see each other’s writings ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Stefan …. Edi gave us a Microsoft Word document explaining the signs - Attached is a screen capture of the Microsoft Word document that Edi gave us, explaining the signs - </div><div><br></div><div>FROM EDI….</div><div><img height="741" width="555" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="16453476-8383-406C-9D5A-F5B57D547A2D" src="cid:1AE1CB7E-FD5A-4FDC-9B6F-AFBEB4D7A10C"></div><div><br></div><div>————</div><div><br></div><div>————</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Nov 8, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Stefan Woehrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Hi Charles,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I look at the first sign ..<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Well I do not know what should be done .. I did not read any description or could not find any video... ;-(<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Nevertheless .... it is almost impossible to perform this ... back of hands toward the body moving down ???? ouch!<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">What do you think?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Im Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Charles Butler<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Freitag, 8. November 2013 03:52<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">An:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: How can we write ...?</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white;"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Sign first - dystrophy. From your description, to show the fingers in the position you want, I find the edge-on position the easiest to understand. This has the palm from the side so the lower half is black with the upper white. In addition, the description doesn't have the hands touch so they need to have separate paths.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><br><img width="136" height="121" id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M58x51S37606n58xn46S16c40n47xn30S20800n49xn50S18146n7xn1S1814e29x0S22b0437x21S22b143x18&pad=10&name=dystrophy"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Sign second - your question was how to show movement forward while keeping the hand in place, sort of like a hinge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><img width="81" height="97" id="_x0000_i1026" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M43x60S2ff00n18xn17S1ec0en9x37S2f900n6x24S2c30017x18&pad=10&name=star"></span></font><font face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Tahoma;">one, the right hand was backward. the thumb is the shorter hook.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><font face="Tahoma">To show that the hand remains in contact, use the pressure ~ mark. This holds the hand in place while it rotates forward.<o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Here is an example from Brazilian sign language, the sign for jello (gelatino) where the hand trembles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><img width="61" height="132" id="_x0000_i1027" src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M23x76S2050013x40S15612n12x41S2f700n8x13S2f90011x53S36100n18xn36S30350n18x25S30354n8x25S303504x26S15a16n18x64&pad=10&name=gelatina"></span></font><font face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family: Tahoma;">Note that both hands are showed edge on so that it doesn't get confusing for the reader.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><font face="Tahoma">The top hand touches the bottom hand, and presses on the bottom hand. There is movement but it is of the fingers (the little arrows) the combination of * and ~ ensures that the hands remain in contact and pressing.<o:p></o:p></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white;"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white;"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Charles Butler<br><a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white;"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white;"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Edi Strouhal <<a href="mailto:e.strouhal@GMAIL.COM" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">e.strouhal@GMAIL.COM</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:34 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>How can we write ...?</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: white; position: static; z-index: auto;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>Hello!<br><br>First: in attach I send You questions concerned for writing a sign in SZJ<br>(Slovenian sign language).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Second: Is it possible to make a fonts for Slovenian sign alphabet?<br>Our alphabet is some different from ASL. Our deaf don´t understand ASL<br>alphabet at all. In attach I send you SLOVENIAN ALPHABET. This my question<br>is only for information.<br><br>Thank you for your advice and help. Greetings from sunshine Ljubljana. Edi.<br><br></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>________________________________________________
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