<div dir="ltr">Hi Steve and the List,<div><br></div><div>Could I just point out an issue that has come up recently when investigating SignPuddles and using them as a tool to extract information about the writing system for different sign languages..</div>
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<div>You see, some reviewers have been very<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> critical about the</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> symbol frequency count - not in itself naturally, but with the lack of information it provides about the inputters (writers), their expertise and even the lack of having an exact figure of how many people have written in a given Puddle. Without such information not much can be concluded from the results, since you would need exact figures of how many writers have inputted into a given Puddle, dates of when they inputted, and some information about their level of skill, whether they are native signers or otherwise.. i understand your point Charles, that the Puddles are there to be used 'naturally' by whoever (as this is the way with natural writing), however it would be a pity not to include such information (if it is possible) for the sake of future research.</span></div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Just to give an example, say you would like to investigate the writing system of the Spanish Literature Puddle (for instance you are investigating the symbols/glyphs used for Spanish sign language) - without information about the number of writers, whether they are native signers or hearing students, and dates of when the writing was created - there is not much you can conclude about the writing system of Spanish sign language (because if if it was written by one person this would be much more different than if it were written by say 15 people)...do you see my point?</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I have no idea if such information can somehow be stored, as i have no expertise with programming at all; i can also see the problem with data-protection acts (but hey- what happened with the boom of social-networks such as Facebook!) but it would be great to somehow store such information for future research...</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thanks</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">maria</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 December 2013 12:38, Stefan Wöhrmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Valerie, Steve... <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Well I haven´t got the
time, the knowledge, the energy to work with more options as I do right now. I
am happy that “find by word” with different options ...and find by symbol is
possible, <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">For my work at school
there is nothing more needed – as far as I can see now... <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">All best<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Stefan<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Charles Butler<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 11. Dezember
2013 23:53<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b> Re: Design for SignPuddle
3: parts-of-speech and morphology of sign language</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">My
only comment is that I hope all dictionary entries don't require a linguist to
actually put them in or to find them. I have been excited about SignWriting
because it has allowed me to write what I actually sign, not describe it in a
spoken language for a third party. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">That will become an impossible burden to
lexicographers. Creating a search engine that can handle a bunch of parameters
is fine, but who is going to go through every single sign and assign them all
possible entries? The burden becomes impossible, and is no longer useful to an
actual user of SignWriting as a writing system, not a linguistic tool. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Charles
Butler<br>
<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br>
<a href="tel:240-764-5748" value="+12407645748" target="_blank">240-764-5748</a><br>
Clear writing moves business forward.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Rachel Channon <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET" target="_blank">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 11, 2013
5:13 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Design for SignPuddle
3: parts-of-speech and morphology of sign language</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">That
diagram is interesting. <span>hmm</span>.
A complete list of morphological characteristics might be hard – I don’t think
it is as settled as parts of speech.</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">In my mind,
morphology really translates to: some named characteristic of a group of signs
or a group of morphemes. Practically speaking, in most sign languages, a
sign is almost the same thing as a morpheme – that is in most sign languages
most simple signs are one morpheme. (This is quite different from spoken
languages where many word are made up of two or more morphemes as in <i><span style="font-style:italic">disinterested</span></i> which has at least 3 morphemes:
dis + interest + <span>ed</span>.)
However, this isn’t always true. For example, ASL has a negative
incorporation element of the hand twisting/rotating (as in DON’T-KNOW,
DON’T-WANT) that is at the morpheme level. Compounds are usually
two morphemes. Furthermore, under some theories, classifiers can be considered
to be bundles of many morphemes – the handshape is one or more morpheme, the
location another set, the action another set, orientation…etc etc. </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">So there
are really at least four elements of this information: 1) How many
morphemes are there in a sign (usually 1, sometimes 2, <span>sometimes many</span>, other choices less
common). 2) <span>are</span> the morphemes
simultaneous or sequential and 3) for each morpheme, what is its morpheme
group, if any? <span>and</span> 4) is the sign as a
whole in some morphological group? </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Examples:</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">DON’T-WANT:
2 simultaneous morphemes: WANT + Negative incorporation</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">WOMAN: 2
sequential morphemes: GIRL + FINE. The sign is a compound</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">J-B (job):
2 sequential morphemes: J + B. Each element is fingerspelling; the entire
sign is a fingerspelled loan sign.</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">MOTHER: 1
morpheme</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">BAKE-ER: 2
sequential morphemes BAKE + ER (person affix). Some people might classify
this as a compound, some might call it an affixed form</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Given this
complexity, it might make sense to set up </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">1) <span>a</span> simple set of choices that allow multiple
choices, so that I could select for example classifier AND compound. An initial
list:</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Classifier,
compound, fingerspelling – one handed, fingerspelling – two handed,
fingerspelled loan sign, character sign, assimilated compound, compound,
negative incorporation, clitic, affix, initialized sign, phrase, inflected
verb, uninflected verb, locational verb, noun-verb pair, repeating or
non-repeating signs, numbers, gestural, pantomimic, iconic. Classifiers are
subdivided in many ways by different linguists, so some linguists might want to
add to the list of classifiers – for example, classifiers for handling objects
vs. motion vs. drawing-in-the-air and so on.</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">2) <span>a</span> second set of choices specifying number of
morphemes that defaults to 1 and allows numeric write-ins plus the choices
innumerable, uncertain, and many, </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">3) <span>a</span> fixed choice set for either simultaneous or
sequential, </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">and</span></font></span><font size="4" color="#1f497d"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d"> 4) a free form area for additional
information.</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">I hope that
I haven’t forgotten something utterly obvious.</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1f497d">Rachel</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font color="black"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Stephen E Slevinski Jr<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 11, 2013
11:33 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Design for SignPuddle 3:
parts-of-speech and morphology of sign language</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi
SignWriting List,<br>
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This has been a great year, but I'm woeful behind on several project. I
appreciate all of the positive work people have been able to do with
SignPuddle. The long awaited work on SignPuddle 3 continues. Next year
will be a break out year for written sign language across the globe.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Incubator:Test_wikis_of_sign_languages" shape="rect" target="_blank">https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Incubator:Test_wikis_of_sign_languages</a><br>
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I'm finalizing the database for SignPuddle 3. I'm very impressed with
MySQL Workbench and the diagramming tool in particular. (image below)<br>
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Database design<br>
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For individual entries, I have designed the parts-of-speech solution, but not
the morphology solution yet.<br>
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For parts-of-speech, there is a small list of values for the most common
choices. noun, verb, adjective, adverb, sentence, other. This list
can be translated into other languages.<br>
<br>
Additionally, each entry has a separate parts-of-speech text field, which can
be used for a more accurate description or a value outside of the common list.<br>
<br>
I was considering a similar strategy for morphology. First, a new table
with a static list of the most common and universal choices. Second, a
freeform text field for each entry for alternate descriptions and complex
analysis.<br>
<br>
Researching morphology, it appears there are several kinds of analysis, each
with its own classifications and descriptions. Is a single list too
simplistic to be helpful? I'd appreciate any discussion of the topic.<br>
<br>
Morphology list: monosyllable, compound, ... ?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
-Steve <br>
<br>
PS - Here is part of the working diagram for the database. I haven't
added anything for morphology yet. <br>
<img border="0" width="972" height="710" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CEF737.179A1940" alt="cid:image001.png@01CEF683.43134C90"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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Valerie Sutton
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Valerie Sutton
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Valerie Sutton
SignWriting List moderator
sutton@signwriting.org
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