<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Interesting discussion. I've been following it, but haven't had much to contribute. As for the rating of approved/rejected, this is only something that would be set by editors, correct? I guess that means many people wouldn't be using it. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>And what exactly is being approved or rejected? The spelling of the sign? Or the sign itself? How would non-standard play into it?</div><div><br></div><div>If a sign were marked as rejected or non-standard, would it be possible to place a reason so that people would understand why and maybe improve the writing?</div><div><br></div><div>And if someone did change the writing and the rating is for the writing, should the rating be set back to provisional again?</div><div><br></div><div>Just some questions that I have about the feature. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br>On Dec 13, 2013, at 8:03 AM, "Rachel Channon" <<a href="mailto:rchannon1@VERIZON.NET">rchannon1@VERIZON.NET</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 15"><link rel="File-List" href="cid:filelist.xml@01CEF7F1.F86BB3B0"><link rel="Edit-Time-Data" href="cid:editdata.mso"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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At either level, I can also imagine some problems that might arise over making that call (who makes it, according to what criteria, etc) - issues such as those Stefan has pointed to (applying I think the understanding of the criteria as indicating the sign) and those Maria raises (regarding the spelling).<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><br>On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:54 PM, "maria galea" <<a href="mailto:signwriting.maria@GMAIL.COM">signwriting.maria@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Hi again!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">About parts of speech, I agree with Rachel that parts of speech for sign languages are usually not so straightforward (like English). A sign may sometimes become a verb or noun depending on its context. For instance in LSM, the sign DOOR can be either nominal or verbal depending on its place within a sentence: MAN-DOOR would mean 'the man opens the door' (where it is verbal) whereas in DOOR-BREAK the same sign is nominal meaning 'the door broke'...but it is good to have the option to list them I guess and leave them empty at will..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">yes Valerie I definitely see the value of SignPuddle as an editing program for all, even beginners - I just thought it would be good if Puddle could remain accessible to all, yet become less anonymous - for instance on the internet there are millions of blogs and billions of blog-posts but they are rarely anonymous - and in being more transparent has its advantages :) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Re the statuses:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">* provisional<br>* approved<br>* nonstandard<br>* rejected</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">I think I understand Stefan's concern, because <span style="color:black">how can spellings be judged when the orthography of a given sign language is not yet standardized. </span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">All spellings are acceptable in the sense that they are all attempts towards the representation of a sign in written form (irrespective of skill in SW). </span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">Rather than these statuses, could you mark the spellings with the statuses of representation 01, </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">representation 0</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">2, </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">representation 0</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">3 etc of a given sign, and somehow link these different spellings of the same sign (lexeme) under one target sign. This would make the count of the sign entries truly sign/lexeme counts rather than a count of every spelling? ... once again not sure this is possible, but just thought I'd share my thoughts about it just the same,</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">regards,</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black">maria</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On 12 December 2013 21:52, Stefan Woehrmann <<a href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de" target="_blank">stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">“The biggest change will be a status for each entry.</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE"><br>* provisional<br>* approved<br>* nonstandard<br>* rejected</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Hi Steve </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">– I am afraid that this will cause problems – who am I to judge things like these categories ...no – all I take care of as much as possible is to make sure that most entries should be written correctly .. I do not stop to mention at any workshop or meeting that it is not the question of signing or signlanguage what I am interested in – as a SignWriting scribe – I am interested to write, whatever I see as a given signing – performance. That is the reason that it is so wonderfull to add several dialects or variations of a given sign/term ... Your new categories should be entered in private puddles – people may hire a staff or a group of a scientific comunity may want to think about this ... </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Just my idea </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Stefan </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">“The biggest change will be a status for each entry.</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE"><br>* provisional<br>* approved<br>* nonstandard<br>* rejected</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="DE" style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:DE"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-outline-level:1"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:DE"> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Stephen E Slevinski Jr<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2013 17:52<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: Design for SignPuddle 3: parts-of-speech and morphology of sign language</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">On 12/12/13, 5:38 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Well I haven´t got the time, the knowledge, the energy to work with more options as I do right now. I am happy that “find by word” with different options ...and find by symbol is possible, </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">For my work at school there is nothing more needed – as far as I can see now... </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE"><br>Hi Stefan,<br><br>No worries. I'll be fixing up the current usage and adding some new functionality. Basic usage will stay the same and not require additional steps or knowledge.<br><br>The biggest change will be a status for each entry.<br>* provisional<br>* approved<br>* nonstandard<br>* rejected<br><br>New entries are created as provisional. Editors can later mark the entries as approved, nonstandard, or rejected.<br><br>This is needed to clean up the search results and have a measure of a dictionary's contents.<br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--></span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">On 12/12/13, 9:57 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">After reading these comments, it sounds like to me it is best not to include this feature of “morphology” in SignPuddle 3, when there may not be an equivalent in the sign language world that matches such a term and it will only confuse all of us - it actually could be a negative for the software.</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">I agree that there probably isn't a universal morphology list. <br><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--></span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">There are so many other features in SignPuddle 3 that we need so badly…thank you for giving us those, Steve -</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE"><br>Hi Val, I understand there is a lot of pain. I'm trying to focus on what needs done sooner rather than later. Thanks for your patience.<br><br>The initial database design is working but needs to be cleaned up. The design choices have far reaching implications and require serious consideration. </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">On 12/11/13, 4:53 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">My only comment is that I hope all dictionary entries don't require a linguist to actually put them in or to find them. I have been excited about SignWriting because it has allowed me to write what I actually sign, not describe it in a spoken language for a third party. </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE"><br>Hi Charles,<br><br>The dictionary is to help support writers of all kinds. The additional information is not required, but an optional description.<br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--></span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">That will become an impossible burden to lexicographers. </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">Let's not think of it as a burden, but as a possibility. <br><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br style="mso-special-character:line-break"><!--[endif]--></span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">The burden becomes impossible, and is no longer useful to an actual user of SignWriting as a writing system, not a linguistic tool. </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE"> </span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="color:black;mso-ansi-language:DE">Yes, SignWriting is a writing system and will stay that way. The linguistic additions are outside of the SignWriting script and not an integral part.<br><br>Regards,<br>-Steve</span><span lang="DE" style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">________________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1" target="_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a> ________________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></p><div><p>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></p><p>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" target="_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1" target="_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">________________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></p><p>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">________________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <o:p></o:p></p><p>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><span class="SpellE">sutton@signwriting.org</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu"><span class="SpellE">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist">http://<span class="SpellE">www.signwriting.org</span>/forums/<span class="SpellE">swlist</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a href="http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1">http://<span class="SpellE">listserv.valenciacollege.edu</span>/<span class="SpellE">cgi</span>-bin/<span class="SpellE">wa?SUBED1</span>=<span class="SpellE">SW-L&A</span>=1</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div>
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