<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">SignWriting List<div>December 14, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Everyone -</div><div>If I think that my writing on SignPuddle Online will be judged like this, I am not so sure I will want to use SignPuddle Online any longer - It takes the joy out of writing … I certainly would not put my name in the source...</div><div><br></div><div>The thumbs up and down hand symbols upset me just looking at them - funny how I reacted to it -</div><div><br></div><div>So the smiling faces are the best, if you need symbols of approval or disapproval - I agree with Adam’s idea of the facial expressions -</div><div><br></div><div>I guess the world is changing around me, and Social Media has changed a lot of people’s thinking - </div><div><br></div><div>I am happy to have new features to help important linguistic projects, like the SignTyp Project, and it is our pleasure to provide those special features in the software, and thank you, Steve, for giving us such flexible software… and if people find this fun and important to judge the importance of a way to write a sign that is good to have the new feature...</div><div><br></div><div>Just as long as the new features can be turned off, for those who are not linguists and just want the joy of writing - that will be fine - Not everyone will want to participate -</div><div><br></div><div>The more smiles the better -</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-------------------------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I kind of like the idea if having a "social media" style of voting as well as having the editors doing the status for two reasons. One, it makes it so that reasons can be stated as to why one felt one way or another. Two, it would also give non-editors a chance to be involved in the status assignments of signs, albeit indirectly. This would make it so that editors can use the response from users as backing for their rational for assigning status. Of course there will be some "spam" ratings just because there will always be people who seem to like/dislike everything for no apparent reason, so it shouldn't be used as an end all. What can be? ;-)<div><br></div><div>I think having the thumbs up/down alone might be opening a can of worms. I like your suggestion to have it with facial expression, but what about just having the facial expression? In any case, here are some that could go with or without the thumb rankings.</div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M18x18S31900n18xn17S34000n18xn17"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M18x18S33b00n18xn17S30b00n18xn17"> <img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?ksw=M18x18S31b00n18xn17S34300n18xn17"></div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Stephen E Slevinski Jr wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/13/13, 4:44 PM, Cherie Wren
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<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;">I would suggest that
more than one person be involved in approving/rejecting. It is
always good to have a second set of eyes look at something-- so
I should not be able to instantly approve my own stuff, but I
should also be able to say why I wrote it that way so someone
who spells it differently can't instantly reject it...<br>
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That's an interesting idea, but it opens a lot of questions.<br>
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Maybe a voting style. Up or down is the easiest. <br>
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<img alt="" id="69a69656-14df-4782-81c1-0145c0fa436c" height="45" width="47" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" src="cid:part1.01030505.08090106@signpuddle.net"> <img alt="" id="e4ebbf05-eae7-4357-995a-8d8f617432bc" height="43" width="48" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" src="cid:part2.03020308.05000705@signpuddle.net"><br>
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Sideways for non-standard.<br>
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<img alt="" id="7a72dc31-ef0f-4df0-98da-b4ca63ccd855" height="41" width="71" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" src="cid:part3.08070807.01070304@signpuddle.net"><br>
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Is this rude in any sign language?<br>
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Written in SignWriting, we have three simple choices.<br>
<img alt="" id="758d84f6-70bd-48a4-bb91-0cea940fe690" height="54" width="97" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" src="cid:part4.03000506.05030901@signpuddle.net"><br>
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It might be nice to include the facial expression for the 3 voting
choices. If anyone is up to a challenge, can you write 3 signs
using the handshapes above and include the corresponding facial
expression?<br>
<br>
Any user can vote on any entry and leave a comment. Every entry
will show the voting tally if it exists. If people are comfortable
entering their writing skill level and language proficiency on their
user profile page, the voting may show some interesting
correlations.<br>
<br>
Changing the entry resets the voting, but leaves an audit trail so
that a user can see the previous versions of the entry and any of
the corresponding voting.<br>
<br>
Ultimately, an editor of the puddle would have to change the status
of the entry, but depending on the situation, the editor could give
it a thumbs down and leave a comment without changing the
provisional status or the editor could move it to an appropriate
puddle.<br>
<br>
Status<br>
* provisional<br>
* approved<br>
* non-standard<br>
* rejected<br>
<br>
<br>
Specifically, I'd like to clean up the ASL Dictionary. I'd like to
be aggressive with the editing, but I don't want to kill the fun of
SignPuddle or cause anyone any stress. <br>
<br>
I propose to copy the ASL Dictionary to a new puddle named "ASL
Practice". Starting in 2014, the ASL Dictionary and ASL Practice
would be the same. By the end of the 2014, I'm hoping the ASL
Dictionary will be much improved and I'm hoping that people are
writing and interacting within the ASL Practice.<br>
<br>
By convention, voting would be handled differently for the ASL
Dictionary and for ASL Practice.<br>
<br>
Normal users have full voting privileges, while editors have more
options. Instead of down voting a new entry for teacher in the ASL
Dictionary, an editor could move the new entry to the ASL Practice
and up vote the entry leaving a nice message "Nice writing. I moved
this to practice because the dictionary already had an equivalent
sign."<br>
<br>
SignPuddle 3 is centered on languages so every sign language can
have multiple puddles. Each will have the possibility of a
dictionary puddle and a practice puddle. The existing sign language
dictionaries will be imported and labeled. Every sign language will
start with an empty practice puddle. <br>
<br>
Thinking out loud,<br>
-Steve<br>
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