<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>This is Charles Butler, currently Replying to the list, but especially in light of Natasha's comments. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>When I create a sign on SignPuddle, it is after writing it down, cataloguing it, and checking it from at least three sources. The very few entries on the ASL sign puddle from me have often been from the RTID (Rochester Technical Institute of the Deaf) published dictionaries, for which we have permission as a group to use them as a source. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>With the LIBRAS dictionaries, I spent hours with primary sources (in all cases at least three native signers) cataloguing the signs and using the DEIT Libras volumes as a source, also vetting them as the first edition did not have as much peer review. I always write my source of signs, either from a Deaf native signer, a specific published dictionary, or, on rare occasion, my own. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times,
serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>There are many many private dictionaries on line in Brazil which are signed on video but do not have a written SignWriting component. I like the division you have proposed, and hope that any Brazilians on this list feel free to look at my signs, comment on them, and get back to me if you see a problem in production or in translation into Portuguese. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>I tend to try to include the information as best I have it on regionalisms (there are five regional signs for "green" in LIBRAS - none of which look like each other). The DEIT Libras dictionary compiled
from sources in Rio Grande de Sul, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, various states in Nordeste, etc., so that signs are always changing in Brazil in a veritable explosion of new vocabulary. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Natasha Escalada-Westland <blushash@COX.NET><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:39 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: AW: Design for SignPuddle 3:
parts-of-speech and morphology of sign language<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Hello,<br><br>As an ASL teacher who actively uses the ASL Signpuddle dictionary in class,<br>I'm all for giving students seeking correct ways to sign a concept some<br>guidance as to what might be approved/accepted signs and spellings of those<br>signs. <br><br>With regards to the form of the sign vs. spelling of the sign, would it make<br>sense to have those who want their writing included as approved/accepted<br>first have the sign itself vetted as an actual ASL sign, or regional<br>variation via some type of video and then the spelling itself could be<br>approved? There are many online ASL video dictionaries, some created by<br>individuals, some by institutions or working groups. Sometimes in the past I<br>have referred to these dictionaries as references when I write a sign. <br>Sometimes I will refer to a work of literature on video in
ASL when I write<br>a sign. References to various sources are used to approve new words added<br>to spoken-language dictionaries, why not have it be so in the case of sign<br>language?<br><br>I like the idea of using non-threatening language as suggested earlier to<br>allow students, beginners and those just wanting to play with the inputs to<br>feel free to enter signs.<br><br>provisional<br>approved/accepted<br>non-standard/variation/regional variation<br>rejected/play/experimental<br><br>Natasha Escalada-Westland<br><br>________________________________________________<br><br><br>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br><br>Valerie Sutton<br>SignWriting List moderator<br><a ymailto="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a><br><br>Post Messages to the SignWriting List:<br><a ymailto="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu"
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