<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>There are a lot of signs in the video. It is not just one sign. I don't speak Arabic, and there seem to be a lot of signs with a fluttering flat open hand. <br></span></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <signwriting@MAC.COM><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:42 AM<br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: One sign difficult writing<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9823158331"><div>SignWriting List<div>December 29, 2013</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Hello Charles, Stefan and Dali -</div><div>Thank you for these discussions. Although I have not seen the video, if it were my choice, I would not write the down-diagonal hand position with a diagonal line across the hand to show the diagonal position dipping partially down. I would assume the sign will be read without the added detail of the down-diagonal hand position, and it is too much detail to write down-diagonal hand positions for everyday use… the simpler the better…</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>And as you can see, I chose to write the left hand from the Front View and not the Top View…I think it is easier to read that way as well - </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>But there are always
other ways to write the same sign, so if you have other ways to write it, feel free to post it -</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I need to look at the video again - for some reason, on the video, I saw one sign after the other, but not the one we are trying to write - I suspect that must have been a computer glitch here, since you all saw the video easily -</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>For example, Stefan mentions that it starts out as a Flat Hand and not a Spread Five Hand - so that I did not realize -</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So Dali, with our three-way conversation here, I think you can read the different ideas from the three of us, and you can choose to write it as you wish -</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thank you for sharing with us!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv9823158331yqt2212379637" id="yiv9823158331yqt50830"><div>--------</div><div><br
clear="none"><div><div>On Dec 29, 2013, at 6:34 AM, Charles Butler <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv9823158331Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:tahoma, 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>I looked at the left hand again and it starts out pointing diagonally down and to the right as a flat hand, I can easily do across and to the right on a diagonal but I'm not sure how to show the diagonal forward and down. Do we need a line through it as well?</span></div><div style="font-size:16px;font-family:tahoma, 'new york', times, serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br clear="none"><a
rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none">240-764-5748<br clear="none">Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div style="font-family:tahoma, 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dali balti <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:livingtabernacle@YAHOO.FR" target="_blank" href="mailto:livingtabernacle@YAHOO.FR">livingtabernacle@YAHOO.FR</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank"
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clear, here is the video on youtube, you find the sign on minute 2:50</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIiyIl4yNtI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIiyIl4yNtI</a><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Blessings!</div><div style="font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:16px;">Dali :D</div><div style="font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
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