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    Hello,<br>
        Along the same lines, when doing transtions from one handshape
    to another or one face to another, I think that it would be a good
    idea to save each of the intermediate frames in the Puddle and
    properly label them as to was sign they correspond and which frame. 
    Also a word denoting that these are not regular Signwriting but
    rather "stills" of a sign. They could come in real handy latter to
    do another rendering, like avatars for example.  Animated GIF is a
    rendered format and information about the symbols in each of the
    frames is lost for future uses.<br>
    <br>
    Jonathan<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/7/2014 10:23 PM, André L wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Hello,</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">I agree with a reserve.<br>
          We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to
          remain white if we display the animation on a coloured
          background.  Also, in my first  attempts I used Microsoft
          paint, which does not support transparent background. 
          Considering that dictionnaries have between 1000 and 5000
          words, and there are several contributors, we need to ensure
          ease of creation to make this project grow.  Standards will be
          important to avoid redoing the work when someone finds a
          better way to proceed.<br>
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          Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an
          avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation.   I
          would start with  Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.</div>
        <div dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          Conceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the
          avatar does in an automated manner.  The avatar may be able to
          write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large
          scale.  I such scenario would happen, our best input may
          become to increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar
          or to help it with directional words (example: I give you, you
          give me). </div>
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        <div dir="ltr">Concertation will be important before going any
          further.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">André Lemyre<br>
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          <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br>
          Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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                  <p dir="ltr">I also agreed rules needs to be applied
                    before processing the animated dictionary. Such as
                    size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I would
                    like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have
                    transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need
                    to reformat entire dictionary in future use. </p>
                  <p dir="ltr">Dale Archuleta</p>
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                  <hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span>
                  </b> André L <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>; <br>
                  <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span> </b>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>; <br>
                  <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span>
                  </b> Re: Animations to teach signwriting <br>
                  <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span> </b>
                  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:39 AM <br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">Hello Jonathan and Valerie,<br
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                          I would prefer to have the animations with
                          the regular dictionaries , just like the
                          optional illustration or video but distinct.<br
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                          In a distant future, the translate feature
                          could concatenate the animations in long
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                          I will spend some time preparing samples of
                          animations to see how symbols could be used
                          (good and bad examples).  I will provide
                          several alternatives for people to compare.  I
                          will make a document to open a discussion
                          establish some standards (not my personal
                          preferences).  We do not want an animation of
                          several words being misaligned, shrinking and
                          growing with blinking  fuzzy heads with
                          several file formats and resolution.  <br
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                          We will need the opinion of Deaf people,
                          programmers, teachers,  SignWriters, children
                          and teenagers for an acceptance test.  Speed
                          will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and
                          fluent signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e.
                          at a signing speed) while beginners will be
                          lost.  <br clear="none">
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                          André Lemyre<br clear="none">
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                            <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 6 Jan
                            2014 17:34:07 -0800<br clear="none">
                            From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br clear="none">
                            Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br
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                            To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br
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                            <div>Thank you, Jonathan!</div>
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                            <div>Val ;-)</div>
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                            <div>——</div>
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                                <div>On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM,
                                  Jonathan Duncan <<a
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                                  <div> Hi Val, <br clear="none">
                                        With a few small modifications
                                    SignWriter Studio should be able to
                                    store and display animated GIFs. 
                                    Sounds like an exciting project!! <span
                                      class="ecxmoz-smiley-s1"> :-)   </span><br
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                                        I would be glad to update
                                    SignWriter Studio so that it have
                                    the animations.<br clear="none">
                                    Jonathan<br clear="none">
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                                    <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On
                                      1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton
                                      wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                    <blockquote> SignWriting List
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                                      <div>Hello André!</div>
                                      <div>Thank you for this message
                                        and for the attached PowerPoint
                                        - It is good to know that
                                        PowerPoint can accept animated
                                        GIFs. It looks great!</div>
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                                      <div>I agree that animated
                                        SignWriting is valuable as an
                                        educational tool…I think others
                                        agree too -</div>
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                                      <div>Would you, or anyone else, be
                                        interested in working on a new
                                        project…an Animated SignWriting
                                        Dictionary on the web?</div>
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                                      <div>Take a look at this web page:</div>
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                                          href="http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/"
                                          target="_blank" rel="nofollow"
                                          shape="rect">http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/</a></div>
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                                      <div>It is a simple page that
                                        shows the sign written in
                                        SignWriting, and to the right of
                                        the sign, is the animated
                                        version of it…</div>
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                                      <div>We could have an entire site
                                        devoted to this Animated
                                        SignWriting Dictionary and
                                        Animated SignWriting Literature
                                        idea…</div>
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                                      <div>It could be a relaxed project
                                        for fun with no deadlines or any
                                        pressure at all (I do not like
                                        deadlines or pressure ;-) </div>
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                                      <div>Just whenever the whim hits,
                                        do a few animations, and save
                                        them in a file. Then we can post
                                        them in a new site...</div>
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                                      <div>The project could be done for
                                        any sign language, and
                                        essentially be like a SignPuddle
                                        Online but for animated signs -</div>
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                                      <div>And that brings up the next
                                        question….Steve and
                                        Jonathan…could SignPuddle and
                                        SignWriter Studio store animated
                                        GIFs?</div>
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                                      <div>Val ;-)</div>
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                                          <div>On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50
                                            AM, André L <<a
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                                                Animations might be an
                                                intuitive way to teach
                                                signwriting to deaf
                                                children.<br
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                                                It uses their knowledge
                                                of sign language.<br
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                                                The movements make the
                                                writing more intuitive,
                                                closer to their
                                                experience.<br
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                                                There are less symbols
                                                to read at once.<br
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                                                It is easy to display on
                                                a screen, a computer or
                                                on paper.<br
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                                                A teacher can write on a
                                                slide with the mouse
                                                during the class.<br
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                                                It is possible to create
                                                a power point show (does
                                                not require power point
                                                to be displayed).<br
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                                                Here is an example of
                                                one animated word.  It
                                                could be a sentence, a
                                                small movie...<br
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        Valerie Sutton
        SignWriting List moderator
        <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>
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