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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Such an editor would take existing signs and allow manipulating them. <BR>Example: Selecting a vertical hand would allow to puting it horizontal to illustrate a rotation...<BR> <BR>Such software should not be coded too soon. People need to explore the possibilities. The proof of concept is starting.<BR> <BR>This is my current process.<BR>1- Import a dictionary in sign writer studio.<BR>2- Select a sign.<BR>3-Create a copy of the sign.<BR>4-Edit the sign by selecting symbols to duplicate or reposition.<BR>5-If necessary add a head. This defines where the hands will be located.<BR>6-Copy paste an image of signwriter studio in pain.<BR>7-Resize the paint display.<BR>-----transparency setting would come here----<BR>8-Create several copies of the written sign.<BR>9-Edit each file with the same name and a counter (file 0 is the original written sign with extra transition symbols). The head is my origin. It should not move.<BR>10-Feed the files in a gif animator.<br> <BR> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:43:06 -0800<br>From: freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM<br>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br><table border="0" cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0"><tbody><tr><td vAlign="top"><p dir="ltr">Yes, it sound like we will need to developing "Animated Signwriting Creator" software where it automatically set up rules and grids template screen to positioning loops cycle for us to follow to prevent errors. And capacity to format transparent background</p>
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<td vAlign="top"><div dir="ltr">I agree with you that mixing signwriting and videos will become an habit in some future. The need cannot be delayed, we would have to redo much work.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none">The template window frame for the gif may be big. We must allow the character to extend left and right arms. That would make a huge white square on top of a video. Transparency would hide less of the content.<br clear="none">Another example would be animated cartoons.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none">André Lemyre<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800<br clear="none">From: freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM<br clear="none">Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br clear="none">To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><table border="0" cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0"><tbody><tr><td vAlign="top" rowSpan="1" colSpan="1"><p dir="ltr">Andre Lemyre</p>
<p dir="ltr">There are several reasons why transparent background is needed but it is not required. One of examples, if I want to put animated signwriting on the pictures or videos on fixed opacity transparent background to easy on eyes comfort to reading without colors inpurterted matched colors. It would be lot of work if I have to modify GIFS personally. I'm sure some of people has other reasons.</p>
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<p dir="ltr">I understood most Editors programs doesn't supports transparent backgrounds. I feel its very important to have entirely transparent background because it's able to overlays anything without modification. </p>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">I agree with a reserve.<br clear="none">We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to remain white if we display the animation on a coloured background. Also, in my first attempts I used Microsoft paint, which does not support transparent background. Considering that dictionnaries have between 1000 and 5000 words, and there are several contributors, we need to ensure ease of creation to make this project grow. Standards will be important to avoid redoing the work when someone finds a better way to proceed.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none">Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation. I would start with Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">Conceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the avatar does in an automated manner. The avatar may be able to write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large scale. I such scenario would happen, our best input may become to increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar or to help it with directional words (example: I give you, you give me). </div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">Concertation will be important before going any further.</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">André Lemyre<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800<br clear="none">From:
freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM<br clear="none">Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br clear="none">To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><table border="0" cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="0"><tbody><tr><td vAlign="top" rowSpan="1" colSpan="1"><p dir="ltr">I also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the animated dictionary. Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat entire dictionary in future use. </p>
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the opinion of Deaf people, programmers, teachers, SignWriters,
children and teenagers for an acceptance test. Speed will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and fluent signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e. at a signing speed) while beginners will be lost. <br clear="none"> <br clear="none">André Lemyre<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800<br clear="none">From: signwriting@MAC.COM<br clear="none">Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br clear="none">To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br clear="none"><br clear="none">SignWriting List<div>January 6, 2014</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thank you, Jonathan!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>——</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div>On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan <<a shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote>
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With a few small modifications SignWriter Studio should be able
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I would be glad to update SignWriter Studio so that it have the
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<div>Hello André!</div>
<div>Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint -
It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated GIFs. It
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<div>Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a new
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<div>It is a simple page that shows the sign written in
SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated
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<div>We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated
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<div>It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or
any pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-) </div>
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<div>Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save
them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...</div>
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<div>The project could be done for any sign language, and
essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated signs -</div>
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Jonathan…could SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store animated
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br clear="none">
Animations might be an intuitive way to teach
signwriting to deaf children.<br clear="none">
It uses their knowledge of sign language.<br clear="none">
The movements make the writing more intuitive, closer to
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There are less symbols to read at once.<br clear="none">
It is easy to display on a screen, a computer or on
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A teacher can write on a slide with the mouse during the
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It is possible to create a power point show (does not
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Here is an example of one animated word. It could be a
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