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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I fully agree with you.<BR>It would need some software to generate the gif. People would stay within the SignWriting environment. That way we would ensure that the frames are in the correct order.<BR> <BR>Also,<BR>The avatar is much expressive than the gif. However it needs more resource, the avatar itself may not fit in a powerpoint presentation. Also the animated gif would help more learning to write SignWriting movement. Animation would show handshape transformation in a written form. The avatar would be like the visual communication, SignWriting the written form and animation the spelling. We would need Deaf people to tell us if for a long text, they prefer a slide show of SignWriting (concise and dense) or a series of animations for each word (clearer but slower for an experienced reader).<BR> <BR>Some movement symbols may not replaceable like a finger rotation or a wrist rotation. Contact symbols would remain necessary.<BR> <BR>Maybe would should do an effort to help the avatar by providing the optional "spelling" and "positioning" in the dictionaries. I will post another conversation with a link on how to spell SignWriting. I have to search the database to see where it was on the web site.<br> <BR> <BR>André Lemyre<BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 06:19:54 -0600<br>From: duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA<br>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br>
Hello,<br>
Along the same lines, when doing transtions from one handshape
to another or one face to another, I think that it would be a good
idea to save each of the intermediate frames in the Puddle and
properly label them as to was sign they correspond and which frame.
Also a word denoting that these are not regular Signwriting but
rather "stills" of a sign. They could come in real handy latter to
do another rendering, like avatars for example. Animated GIF is a
rendered format and information about the symbols in each of the
frames is lost for future uses.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
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<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 1/7/2014 10:23 PM, André L wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with a reserve.<br>
We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to
remain white if we display the animation on a coloured
background. Also, in my first attempts I used Microsoft
paint, which does not support transparent background.
Considering that dictionnaries have between 1000 and 5000
words, and there are several contributors, we need to ensure
ease of creation to make this project grow. Standards will be
important to avoid redoing the work when someone finds a
better way to proceed.<br>
<br>
Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an
avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation. I
would start with Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf" target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a></div>
<div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html" target="_blank">http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html</a></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
Conceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the
avatar does in an automated manner. The avatar may be able to
write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large
scale. I such scenario would happen, our best input may
become to increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar
or to help it with directional words (example: I give you, you
give me). </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Concertation will be important before going any
further.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">André Lemyre<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<p dir="ltr">I also agreed rules needs to be applied
before processing the animated dictionary. Such as
size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I would
like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have
transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need
to reformat entire dictionary in future use. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale Archuleta</p>
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<hr SIZE="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span>
</b> André L <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>; <br>
<b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span> </b>
<a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>; <br>
<b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span>
</b> Re: Animations to teach signwriting <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Jonathan and Valerie,<br clear="none">
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I would prefer to have the animations with
the regular dictionaries , just like the
optional illustration or video but distinct.<br clear="none">
In a distant future, the translate feature
could concatenate the animations in long
stories.<br clear="none">
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I will spend some time preparing samples of
animations to see how symbols could be used
(good and bad examples). I will provide
several alternatives for people to compare. I
will make a document to open a discussion
establish some standards (not my personal
preferences). We do not want an animation of
several words being misaligned, shrinking and
growing with blinking fuzzy heads with
several file formats and resolution. <br clear="none">
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We will need the opinion of Deaf people,
programmers, teachers, SignWriters, children
and teenagers for an acceptance test. Speed
will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and
fluent signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e.
at a signing speed) while beginners will be
lost. <br clear="none">
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André Lemyre<br clear="none">
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 6 Jan
2014 17:34:07 -0800<br clear="none">
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br clear="none">
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br clear="none">
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br clear="none">
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<div>January 6, 2014</div>
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<div>Thank you, Jonathan!</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM,
Jonathan Duncan <<a shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a>>
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<div> Hi Val, <br clear="none">
With a few small modifications
SignWriter Studio should be able to
store and display animated GIFs.
Sounds like an exciting project!! <span class="ecxmoz-smiley-s1"> :-) </span><br clear="none">
I would be glad to update
SignWriter Studio so that it have
the animations.<br clear="none">
Jonathan<br clear="none">
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<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On
1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton
wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>January 6, 2014</div>
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<div>Hello André!</div>
<div>Thank you for this message
and for the attached PowerPoint
- It is good to know that
PowerPoint can accept animated
GIFs. It looks great!</div>
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<div>I agree that animated
SignWriting is valuable as an
educational tool…I think others
agree too -</div>
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<div>Would you, or anyone else, be
interested in working on a new
project…an Animated SignWriting
Dictionary on the web?</div>
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<div>Take a look at this web page:</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/</a></div>
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<div>It is a simple page that
shows the sign written in
SignWriting, and to the right of
the sign, is the animated
version of it…</div>
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<div>We could have an entire site
devoted to this Animated
SignWriting Dictionary and
Animated SignWriting Literature
idea…</div>
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</div>
<div>It could be a relaxed project
for fun with no deadlines or any
pressure at all (I do not like
deadlines or pressure ;-) </div>
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<div>Just whenever the whim hits,
do a few animations, and save
them in a file. Then we can post
them in a new site...</div>
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<div>The project could be done for
any sign language, and
essentially be like a SignPuddle
Online but for animated signs -</div>
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<div>And that brings up the next
question….Steve and
Jonathan…could SignPuddle and
SignWriter Studio store animated
GIFs?</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br clear="none">
Animations might be an
intuitive way to teach
signwriting to deaf
children.<br clear="none">
It uses their knowledge
of sign language.<br clear="none">
The movements make the
writing more intuitive,
closer to their
experience.<br clear="none">
There are less symbols
to read at once.<br clear="none">
It is easy to display on
a screen, a computer or
on paper.<br clear="none">
A teacher can write on a
slide with the mouse
during the class.<br clear="none">
It is possible to create
a power point show (does
not require power point
to be displayed).<br clear="none">
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Here is an example of
one animated word. It
could be a sentence, a
small movie...<br clear="none">
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André Lemyre<br clear="none">
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