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Hi Andre,<br>
SignWriter Studio can change the size of symbols within a
sign. I believe that SignPuddle does not have that feature.<br>
Jonathan<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2014 12:20 PM, André L wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It is an excellent example. <br>
<br>
The only concept I would add is shrinking hands size to
represent hands moving away from the body.<br>
<br>
Also, it is a good example of a continuous animation made of
many images to represent a single movement. It is longer to
develop than my slide show animations with a start-midle -end
hand position. Transitions between images is faster. It could
display a clear distinction between slow and fast hand motions
in a sign.<br>
<br>
We would need to measure the different in preparation time to
see if it is a burden or not for a large scale project with
little automated support. It may be a little more effort to
code an automated tool to generate continuous animations.<br>
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The fundamental question for me is: "For Deaf person who has 30
minutes to read an animated text on a technical subject for work
(like wiki-sign), what is the format they prefer: natural or
concise?".<br>
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<br>
About facial expressions, in LSQ, most of the deaf people I met
perform oralization for lips reader and sign disambiguation. In
LSQ sign puddle dictionnary we do not have this.<br>
<br>
André Lemyre<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:50:30 -0800<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br>
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<div>Maybe some of the old animations can be used as a guide
to the future ones?…. most avatars do not include the facial
expressions needed to really animate signs and
sign-sentences - maybe the new avatars do, but in the past
that had not been developed enough yet -</div>
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<div>Here is Stefan’s sentence with facial expressions...</div>
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<div>On Jan 8, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Dale Archuleta <<a
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<p dir="ltr">Yes, it sound like we will need
to developing "Animated Signwriting Creator"
software where it automatically set up rules
and grids template screen to positioning
loops cycle for us to follow to prevent
errors. And capacity to format transparent
background</p>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span><span
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span><span
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Animations to teach signwriting<span
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span><span
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with you that
mixing signwriting and videos will
become an habit in some future. The
need cannot be delayed, we would have to
redo much work.<br clear="none">
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The template window frame for the gif
may be big. We must allow the character
to extend left and right arms. That
would make a huge white square on top of
a video. Transparency would hide less
of the content.<br clear="none">
Another example would be animated
cartoons.<br clear="none">
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André Lemyre<br clear="none">
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 8
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Subject: Re: Animations to teach
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<p dir="ltr">Andre Lemyre</p>
<p dir="ltr">There are several
reasons why transparent
background is needed but it
is not required. One of
examples, if I want to put
animated signwriting on the
pictures or videos on fixed
opacity transparent
background to easy on eyes
comfort to reading without
colors inpurterted matched
colors. It would be lot of
work if I have to modify
GIFS personally. I'm sure
some of people has other
reasons.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale Archuleta</p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</span><span
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signwriting<span
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<b><span style="font-weight:
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<div dir="ltr">Do you
have an example of a
need to overlay a sign
to something else?<br
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I think that I saw a
free gif animator 10
years ago that
supported transparent
beackground.<br
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I will do a research.<br
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21:03:14 -0800<br
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Subject: Re:
Animations to teach
signwriting<br
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<p dir="ltr">Hello</p>
<p dir="ltr">I
understood
most Editors
programs
doesn't
supports
transparent
backgrounds. I
feel its very
important to
have entirely
transparent
background
because it's
able to
overlays
anything
without
modification.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale
Archuleta</p>
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<hr size="1"><b><span
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class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></b>André L <<a
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href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a>>;<span
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<b><span
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bold;">Subject:</span><span
class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: Animations to teach
signwriting<span
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<b><span
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,</div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr">I
agree with a
reserve.<br
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We may want
the white
surfaces of
the hands and
the face to
remain white
if we display
the animation
on a coloured
background.
Also, in my
first
attempts I
used Microsoft
paint, which
does not
support
transparent
background.
Considering
that dictionnaries
have between
1000 and 5000
words, and
there are
several
contributors,
we need to
ensure ease of
creation to
make this
project grow.
Standards will
be important
to avoid
redoing the
work when
someone finds
a better way
to proceed.<br
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<br
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Also, I will
contact soon
the tunisian
team who
worked on an
avatar that
translates SignWriting
in a 3D
animation. I
would start
with Yosra
Bouzid and
Mohamed Jemni.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a
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<div dir="ltr"><a
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href="http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html"
shape="rect"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html</a></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br
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Conceptually,
our doing gif
animation is a
subset of what
the avatar
does in an
automated
manner. The
avatar may be
able to write
the gif
animations in
an automated
manner on a
large scale.
I such
scenario would
happen, our
best input may
become to
increase the
dictionnaries
size to "feed"
the avatar or
to help it
with
directional
words
(example: I
give you, you
give me). </div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr">Concertation
will be
important
before going
any further.</div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr">André
Lemyre<br
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Tue, 7 Jan
2014 19:39:37
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Subject: Re:
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teach
signwriting<br
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To:<span
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<p dir="ltr">I
also agreed
rules needs to
be applied
before
processing the
animated
dictionary.
Such as size,
resolute,
aligned
positioning,
etc... I would
like offer to
add other
rule. All GIFS
should have
transparent
backgrounds.
In a case, we
will not need
to reformat
entire
dictionary in
future use.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale
Archuleta</p>
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<b><span
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signwriting<span
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<div dir="ltr">Hello
Jonathan and
Valerie,<br
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<br
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I would prefer
to have the
animations with
the regular
dictionaries ,
just like the
optional illustration
or video but
distinct.<br
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In a distant
future, the
translate
feature could
concatenate
the animations
in long
stories.<br
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<br
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I will spend
some time
preparing
samples of
animations to
see how
symbols could
be used (good
and bad
examples). I
will provide
several
alternatives
for people to
compare. I
will make a
document to
open a
discussion
establish some
standards (not
my personal
preferences).
We do not want
an animation
of several
words being
misaligned,
shrinking and
growing with
blinking
fuzzy heads
with several
file formats
and
resolution. <span
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We will need
the opinion of
Deaf people,
programmers,
teachers,
SignWriters,
children and
teenagers for
an acceptance
test. Speed
will be an
issue, I
expect Deaf
people and
fluent
signwriters to
prefer fast
videos (i.e.
at a signing
speed) while
beginners will
be lost. <span
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Subject: Re:
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To:<span
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6, 2014</div>
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<div>Thank
you, Jonathan!</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Jan 6,
2014, at 4:27
PM, Jonathan
Duncan <<a
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Val,<span
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<span
class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>With
a few small
modifications
SignWriter
Studio should
be able to
store and
display
animated
GIFs. Sounds
like an
exciting
project!!<span
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<span
class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>I
would be glad
to update
SignWriter
Studio so that
it have the
animations.<br
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Jonathan<br
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1/6/2014 4:01
PM, Valerie
Sutton wrote:<br
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<div>Hello
André!</div>
<div>Thank you
for this
message and
for the
attached
PowerPoint -
It is good to
know that
PowerPoint can
accept
animated GIFs.
It looks
great!</div>
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<div>I agree
that animated
SignWriting is
valuable as an
educational
tool…I think
others agree
too -</div>
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<div>Would
you, or anyone
else, be
interested in
working on a
new project…an
Animated
SignWriting
Dictionary on
the web?</div>
<div><br
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<div>Take a
look at this
web page:</div>
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<div>It is a
simple page
that shows the
sign written
in
SignWriting,
and to the
right of the
sign, is the
animated
version of it…</div>
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<div>We could
have an entire
site devoted
to this
Animated
SignWriting
Dictionary and
Animated
SignWriting
Literature
idea…</div>
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<div>It could
be a relaxed
project for
fun with no
deadlines or
any pressure
at all (I do
not like
deadlines or
pressure ;-) </div>
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<div>Just
whenever the
whim hits, do
a few
animations,
and save them
in a file.
Then we can
post them in a
new site...</div>
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<div>The
project could
be done for
any sign
language, and
essentially be
like a
SignPuddle
Online but for
animated signs
-</div>
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<div>And that
brings up the
next
question….Steve
and
Jonathan…could
SignPuddle and
SignWriter
Studio store
animated GIFs?</div>
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Animations
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intuitive way
to teach
signwriting to
deaf children.<br
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It uses their
knowledge of
sign language.<br
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The movements
make the
writing more
intuitive,
closer to
their
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There are less
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It is easy to
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A teacher can
write on a
slide with the
mouse during
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It is possible
to create a
power point
show (does not
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Here is an
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animated
word. It
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