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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Bonsoir Yosra,<BR> <BR>(English follows)<BR>pourriez-vous nous dire en détails quelles sont les informations qui manquent dans les dictionnaires de sign puddle qui sont nécessaires à l'avatar.<BR> <BR>Nous pourrions faire un effort pour qu'elles soient disponibles à l'avenir.<BR> <BR>J'ai une suggestion pour l'avenir...  Serait-il possible d'avoir des avatars qui représentent des enfants (garçon et fille).  Cela pourrait peut-être devenir un atout pour l'enseignement et éventuellement pour les communications en général des enfants.  Ils pourraient s'identifier aux personnages.<BR> <BR>André Lemyre<br> <BR>---<BR>Please let us know which information is missing in sign puddle, so we can make an effort to provide them.<BR>It may be interesting to have avatars that represents  children (boy and girl).  Children could identify themselves with the characters.<BR> <BR>AL<BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 10:58:02 +0100<br>From: yosrabouzid@HOTMAIL.FR<br>Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br>

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<div dir="ltr">Bonjour Jonathan,<div>En fait, j'ai choisi le format SWML comme input à notre système car il m'offre des informations concernat les coordonnées, le high  et le width de chaque glyph dans le pictograph. Ces informations sont très utiles pour:</div><div>- la détermination du type de signe (par exemple il est symétrique ou non )</div><div>- ainsi que l'identification des positions initiales des mains dans le signe.</div><div>J'ai pas encore traiter les autres formats disponibles mais si ils m'offrent les même informations fournies par le SWML pourquoi pas.</div><div><br></div><div>Le traitement du SWML se fait automatiquement, n'y a aucune intervention manuelle</div><div>La première étape consiste à <span style="font-size: 12pt;">mettre les symboles dans le bon ordre de lecture e</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">n se basant sur un ensemble de règles inspirées de SignSpelling rules.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">La deuxième étape consiste à </span><font style="font-size: 12pt;">identifier les informations manquantes comme l'emplacement du premier handshape  </font><span style="font-size: 12pt;">ainsi que les positions de contact sur le corps du signeur, en vue de générer une représentation linguistique précise et claire du signe. Un autre ensemble de règles a été adopté ici pour gérer le paramètre de location. </span></div><div><font size="3">Mais, comme j'ai </font>déjà ment<font size="3">ionné dans l'article, dans certains cas il est impossible de déterminer les positions exactes de contact lorsque deux symboles de contact ou plus sont intégrés dans la notation. Prenons comme exemple le ASL notation de "improve", "us" et "prince".  On est obligé ici d'ajouter " the detailed location symboles" dans le fichier SWML dés le début pour avoir des animations correctes.</font></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">La troisième étape du système a été consacrée à la conversion automatique de le représentation obtenue en SML</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Vous trouverez ci-joint les fichiers SML et SWML de deux exemples de signe </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">simple "politics"  et complexe "export" </span></div><div id="ecxinlineImage0" style="display: inline-block;"><span><div id="ecxinlineImage1" style="display: inline-block;"><span>                                    </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" style="display: inline-block;"><img width="160" height="183" src="cid:inlineImage1"></div><span>            </span></div> </span><div class="ecxinlineImage" style="display: inline-block;"><img width="168" height="223" src="cid:inlineImage0"></div><span> </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Concernant votre dernière question, je ne peux pas vous donner une réponse précise car j'ai pas encore traiter des phrases en SW. Mais il peut être possible d'animer un avatar à partir d'un Gif animé puisqu'il est représenté par une série de notations de SW.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Bonne journée,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Yosra </span></div><div><br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:33:12 -0600<br>From: duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA<br>Subject: Re: FW: Animations to teach signwriting<br>To: SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><br>
  
    
  
  
    Bonjour Yosra Bouzid, <br>
         Je viens de jetter un coup d'oeil à <a href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf" target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a> 
    J'ai quelques questions. <br>
    <br>
    Utilisez-vous encore SWML (SignWriting Markup Language) comme point
    de départ du mouvement de l'avatar? Avez-vous été en mesure
    d'utiliser SPML ou le BSW, CSW, KSW ou formats FSW disponible dans
    SignPuddle? <br>
    <br>
    Quelles étapes manuelles avez vous besoin d'exécuter pour ajouter
    l'informations manquantes nécessaires pour animer l'avatar?
    Pourriez-vous s'il vous plaît nous donner des comparaisons d'un
    exemple simple et d'une plus complexe de SWML et du SML Sign
    Modeling Language) résultant  et possiblement les étapes nécessaires
    pour se rendre du SWML inicial au SML final? Avez-vous été en mesure
    d'automatiser une certaine partie? <br>
    <br>
    Pensez-vous que si nous aurions chaque trame du GIF animée en
    SignWriting, ca nous ferait la génération de SML plus facile ou plus
    rapide? Ou que nous pourrions tirer tout autre avantage quelconque
    de cela pour animer l'avatar? <br>
    <br>
    Cordialement, <br>
    <br>
    Jonathan<br>
    <br>
    Hello Yosra Bouzid,<br>
        I just had a quick look at <a href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf" target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a> 
    .  I have a few questions.<br>
    <br>
    Are you still using SWML (SignWriting Markup Language) as a starting
    point for the avatar movement?  Have you been able to use SPML or
    the BSW, CSW, KSW or FSW formats available in SignPuddle?<br>
    <br>
    What manual steps are required to add the missing information needed
    to animate the avatar?  Could you please give a simple example and a
    more complex one comparing the SWML and the resulting SML (Sign
    Modeling Language) and possibly the steps required to get from the
    original SWML to the final SML?  How much have you been able to
    automate some of it?<br>
    <br>
    Do you think that if we had the each frame of the animated GIF in
    SignWriting, it would make the generation of SML easier or faster? 
    Or that we could draw any other advantage from this to animate the
    avatar?<br>
    <br>
    Regards, <br>
    <br>
    Jonathan<br>
    <br>
    <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2014 4:04 PM, yosra bouzid
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            <div>Bonjour André et tous les membres de SignWriting List,</div>
            <div>je voudrais tout d'abord vous féliciter pour le travail
              réalisé</div>
            <div>C'est fascinant de voir ces dessins s'animer en
              utilisant uniquement des symboles de SignWriting!</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>En fait, <span style="font-size: 12pt;">notre approche
                repose sur l'utilisation d'un agent virtuel pour
                reproduire fidèlement les gestes manuels et non manuels </span></div>
            <div>représentés dans une notation de SignWriting.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Par exemple, vous trouverez ci-joint des animations
              générées à partir des transcriptions des signes:</div>
            <div> - <b>désolé</b> en  langue des signes tunisienne </div>
            <div> - <b>deaf</b>    en  langue des signes américaine</div>
            <div> - <b>oiseau</b>  en langue des signes française</div>
            <div>(je suis désolée car les séquences vidéo ne sont pas de
              bonne qualité)</div>
            <div>(note: je vais les envoyer une par une pour ne pas
              avoir des problèmes de réception)</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Nous avons converti jusqu'à présent plus de 1000
              notations et nous allons créer très prochainement</div>
            <div> un site web tuniSigner <span style="font-size: 12pt;">pour
                permettre aux participants d'évaluer la qualité des
                animations produites</span></div>
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            <div>Hello André and all the SignWriting List members,</div>
            <div>
              <div>First of all, I want to congratulate you on the
                excellent job you did</div>
              <div>It is amazing to see an animated gif from SignWriting
                symbols !!</div>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>In fact, our work aims to interpret a SignWriting
                notation through a 3D virtual signer able to perform
                faithfully the exact gestures represented in the
                notation.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>For example, you will find attached the generated
                animations from the following transcriptions:</div>
              <div> - sorry (désolé) in Tunisian Sign Lnaguage</div>
              <div> - Deaf                in American Sign Language</div>
              <div> - bird (oiseau)   in French sign language</div>
              <div>( I 'm sorry because the video is not of good
                quality)</div>
              <div>(I'll send the <span style="font-size: 12pt;">video
                  sequences</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> one by
                  one for not receiving error notification in delivering
                  message)</span></div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Our system has converted until now more than 1000
                notations and we aim to create, very soon, our proper
                website tuniSigner to allow participants to evaluate the
                quality of the produced animations</div>
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              <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:25:45
              -0500<br>
              From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a><br>
              Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
              To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Bonjour Mohamed JEMNI,<br>
                Bonjour Yosra BOUZID,<br>
                <br>
                il y a présentement une discussion sur le forum général
                de SignWriting sur la pertinence et la faisabilité
                d'utiliser des animations en format gif pour enseigner
                l'écriture de langue signées.  Ces animations mettaient
                en mouvement les symboles standard de SignWriting.  <br>
                 <br>
                Une extension de cette idée est d'intégrer ces
                animations dans les dictionnaires de SignWriting comme
                sign puddle.  Il serait alors possible de traduire
                automatiquement de longs textes en mode animation.  Ce
                concept est très proche de l'avatar que vous avez
                développé.<br>
                 <br>
                Pourriez-vous vous joindre à nous pour cette réflexion?<br>
                 <br>
                Merci<br>
                 <br>
                André Lemyre<br>
                 <br>
                En attachement vous trouverez les discussions
                précédentes et un exemple d'animation.<br>
                 <br>
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                  <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014
                  07:42:43 -0600<br>
                  From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a><br>
                  Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
                  To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
                  <br>
                  Hi Andre,<br>
                      One of the great chanllenges of using the current
                  software for animated GIFs is lining up one frame with
                  the next. <br>
                  Your idea of all frames having head, is a good idea
                  for a center, but if each GIF frame is a different
                  size it will only be a little help for aligning them. 
                  A solution with a fixed width and height per animation
                  would be better (it could be different from one
                  animation to another).<br>
                  <br>
                  I was thinking on way would be to make a vertical line
                  and a horizontal line in the SignWriting as a
                  reference. It would be have to be big enough to fit
                  all the animation we would want to write. All frames
                  would come out the same size and everything would be
                  referent (centered) to these lines.<br>
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                  The down side is that you would have to manually take
                  out the lines afterwards frame by frame.<br>
                  <br>
                  Or<br>
                  <br>
                  In SignWriter Studio these lines could even be white
                  just like the background.  (Sorry no support for
                  transparencies in SignWriter Studio at this time). 
                  Then with a graphics program that does transparencies
                  change the white to transparent.  Just don't use the
                  same white (maybe an offwhite) for the hands as for
                  the background and the lines.<br>
                  <br>
                  Jonathan<br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2014 12:02 PM,
                    André L wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Such an editor would take existing
                      signs and allow manipulating them.  <br>
                      Example: Selecting a vertical hand would allow to
                      puting it horizontal to illustrate a rotation...<br>
                       <br>
                      Such software should not be coded too soon. People
                      need to explore the possibilities.  The proof of
                      concept is starting.<br>
                       <br>
                      This is my current process.<br>
                      1- Import a dictionary in sign writer studio.<br>
                      2- Select a sign.<br>
                      3-Create a copy of the sign.<br>
                      4-Edit the sign by selecting symbols to duplicate
                      or reposition.<br>
                      5-If necessary add a head.  This defines where the
                      hands will be located.<br>
                      6-Copy paste an image of signwriter studio in
                      pain.<br>
                      7-Resize the paint display.<br>
                      -----transparency setting would come here----<br>
                      8-Create several copies of the written sign.<br>
                      9-Edit each file with the same name and a counter
                      (file 0 is the original written sign with extra
                      transition symbols).  The head is my origin.  It
                      should not move.<br>
                      10-Feed the files in a gif animator.<br>
                       <br>
                       <br>
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                        <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014
                        09:43:06 -0800<br>
                        From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br>
                        Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
                        To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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                                <p dir="ltr">Yes, it sound like we will
                                  need to developing "Animated
                                  Signwriting Creator" software where it
                                  automatically set up rules and grids
                                  template screen to positioning loops
                                  cycle for us to follow to prevent
                                  errors. And capacity to format
                                  transparent background</p>
                                <p dir="ltr">Dale Archuleta</p>
                                <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail
                                    on Android</a></p>
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                                <hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span>
                                </b> André L <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                <br>
                                <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span>
                                </b> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>;
                                <br>
                                <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span>
                                </b> Re: Animations to teach signwriting
                                <br>
                                <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span>
                                </b> Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:25:35 PM <br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">I agree with you
                                        that mixing signwriting and
                                        videos will become an habit in
                                        some future.  The need cannot be
                                        delayed, we would have to redo
                                        much work.<br clear="none">
                                         <br clear="none">
                                        The template window frame for
                                        the gif may be big.  We must
                                        allow the character to extend 
                                        left and right arms.  That would
                                        make a huge white square on top
                                        of a video.  Transparency would
                                        hide less of the content.<br clear="none">
                                        Another example would be
                                        animated cartoons.<br clear="none">
                                         <br clear="none">
                                        André Lemyre<br clear="none">
                                        <br clear="none">
                                         <br clear="none">
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                                          <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date:
                                          Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800<br clear="none">
                                          From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br clear="none">
                                          Subject: Re: Animations to
                                          teach signwriting<br clear="none">
                                          To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br clear="none">
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                                                  <p dir="ltr">Andre
                                                    Lemyre</p>
                                                  <p dir="ltr">There are
                                                    several reasons why
                                                    transparent
                                                    background is needed
                                                    but it is not
                                                    required. One of
                                                    examples, if I want
                                                    to put animated
                                                    signwriting on the
                                                    pictures or videos
                                                    on fixed opacity
                                                    transparent
                                                    background to easy
                                                    on eyes comfort to
                                                    reading without
                                                    colors inpurterted
                                                    matched colors. It
                                                    would be lot of work
                                                    if I have to modify
                                                    GIFS personally. I'm
                                                    sure some of people
                                                    has other reasons.</p>
                                                  <p dir="ltr">Dale
                                                    Archuleta</p>
                                                  <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Sent
                                                      from Yahoo Mail on
                                                      Android</a></p>
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                                                  <hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span> </b> André L <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                                  <br clear="none">
                                                  <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span>
                                                  </b> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>;
                                                  <br clear="none">
                                                  <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span>
                                                  </b> Re: Animations to
                                                  teach signwriting <br clear="none">
                                                  <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span>
                                                  </b> Wed, Jan 8, 2014
                                                  12:15:57 PM <br clear="none">
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                                                        <div dir="ltr">Do
                                                          you have an
                                                          example of a
                                                          need to
                                                          overlay a sign
                                                          to something
                                                          else?<br clear="none">
                                                          I think that I
                                                          saw a free gif
                                                          animator 10
                                                          years ago that
                                                          supported
                                                          transparent
                                                          beackground.<br clear="none">
                                                          I will do a
                                                          research.<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          André Lemyre<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date:

                                                          Tue, 7 Jan
                                                          2014 21:03:14
                                                          -0800<br clear="none">
                                                          From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br clear="none">
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting<br clear="none">
                                                          To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br clear="none">
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">Hello

                                                          </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">I
                                                          understood
                                                          most Editors
                                                          programs
                                                          doesn't
                                                          supports
                                                          transparent
                                                          backgrounds. I
                                                          feel its very
                                                          important to
                                                          have entirely
                                                          transparent
                                                          background
                                                          because it's
                                                          able to
                                                          overlays
                                                          anything
                                                          without
                                                          modification.
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Dale

                                                          Archuleta </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></p>
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                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span>
                                                          </b> André L <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span>
                                                          </b> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>;
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span>
                                                          </b> Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting <br clear="none">
                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span>
                                                          </b> Wed, Jan
                                                          8, 2014
                                                          4:23:30 AM <br clear="none">
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hello,</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          agree with a
                                                          reserve.<br clear="none">
                                                          We may want
                                                          the white
                                                          surfaces of
                                                          the hands and
                                                          the face to
                                                          remain white
                                                          if we display
                                                          the animation
                                                          on a coloured
                                                          background. 
                                                          Also, in my
                                                          first 
                                                          attempts I
                                                          used Microsoft
                                                          paint, which
                                                          does not
                                                          support
                                                          transparent
                                                          background. 
                                                          Considering
                                                          that dictionnaries
                                                          have between
                                                          1000 and 5000
                                                          words, and
                                                          there are
                                                          several
                                                          contributors,
                                                          we need to
                                                          ensure ease of
                                                          creation to
                                                          make this
                                                          project grow. 
                                                          Standards will
                                                          be important
                                                          to avoid
                                                          redoing the
                                                          work when
                                                          someone finds
                                                          a better way
                                                          to proceed.<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          Also, I will
                                                          contact soon
                                                          the tunisian
                                                          team who
                                                          worked on an
                                                          avatar that
                                                          translates SignWriting
                                                          in a 3D
                                                          animation.   I
                                                          would start
                                                          with  Yosra
                                                          Bouzid and
                                                          Mohamed Jemni.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><a href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a></div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html</a></div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">
                                                          Conceptually,
                                                          our doing gif
                                                          animation is a
                                                          subset of what
                                                          the avatar
                                                          does in an
                                                          automated
                                                          manner.  The
                                                          avatar may be
                                                          able to write
                                                          the gif
                                                          animations in
                                                          an automated
                                                          manner on a
                                                          large scale. 
                                                          I such
                                                          scenario would
                                                          happen, our
                                                          best input may
                                                          become to
                                                          increase the
                                                          dictionnaries
                                                          size to "feed"
                                                          the avatar or
                                                          to help it
                                                          with
                                                          directional
                                                          words
                                                          (example: I
                                                          give you, you
                                                          give me). </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Concertation

                                                          will be
                                                          important
                                                          before going
                                                          any further.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">André

                                                          Lemyre<br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date:

                                                          Tue, 7 Jan
                                                          2014 19:39:37
                                                          -0800<br clear="none">
                                                          From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br clear="none">
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting<br clear="none">
                                                          To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br clear="none">
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">I
                                                          also agreed
                                                          rules needs to
                                                          be applied
                                                          before
                                                          processing the
                                                          animated
                                                          dictionary.
                                                          Such as size,
                                                          resolute,
                                                          aligned
                                                          positioning,
                                                          etc... I would
                                                          like offer to
                                                          add other
                                                          rule. All GIFS
                                                          should have
                                                          transparent
                                                          backgrounds.
                                                          In a case, we
                                                          will not need
                                                          to reformat
                                                          entire
                                                          dictionary in
                                                          future use. </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Dale

                                                          Archuleta</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></p>
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                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span>
                                                          </b> André L <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span>
                                                          </b> <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>;
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span>
                                                          </b> Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting <br clear="none">
                                                          <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span>
                                                          </b> Tue, Jan
                                                          7, 2014
                                                          1:57:39 AM <br clear="none">
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hello

                                                          Jonathan and
                                                          Valerie,<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          I would prefer
                                                          to have the
                                                          animations with
                                                          the regular
                                                          dictionaries ,
                                                          just like the
                                                          optional illustration

                                                          or video but
                                                          distinct.<br clear="none">
                                                          In a distant
                                                          future, the
                                                          translate
                                                          feature could
                                                          concatenate
                                                          the animations
                                                          in long
                                                          stories.<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          I will spend
                                                          some time
                                                          preparing
                                                          samples of
                                                          animations to
                                                          see how
                                                          symbols could
                                                          be used (good
                                                          and bad
                                                          examples).  I
                                                          will provide
                                                          several
                                                          alternatives
                                                          for people to
                                                          compare.  I
                                                          will make a
                                                          document to
                                                          open a
                                                          discussion
                                                          establish some
                                                          standards (not
                                                          my personal
                                                          preferences). 
                                                          We do not want
                                                          an animation
                                                          of several
                                                          words being
                                                          misaligned,
                                                          shrinking and
                                                          growing with
                                                          blinking 
                                                          fuzzy heads
                                                          with several
                                                          file formats
                                                          and
                                                          resolution.  <br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          We will need
                                                          the opinion of
                                                          Deaf people,
                                                          programmers,
                                                          teachers,
                                                           SignWriters,
                                                          children and
                                                          teenagers for
                                                          an acceptance
                                                          test.  Speed
                                                          will be an
                                                          issue, I
                                                          expect Deaf
                                                          people and
                                                          fluent
                                                          signwriters to
                                                          prefer fast
                                                          videos (i.e.
                                                          at a signing
                                                          speed) while
                                                          beginners will
                                                          be lost.  <br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          André Lemyre<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date:

                                                          Mon, 6 Jan
                                                          2014 17:34:07
                                                          -0800<br clear="none">
                                                          From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a><br clear="none">
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting<br clear="none">
                                                          To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          SignWriting
                                                          List
                                                          <div>January
                                                          6, 2014</div>
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                                                          <div>Thank
                                                          you, Jonathan!</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Val ;-)</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>——</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>On Jan 6,
                                                          2014, at 4:27
                                                          PM, Jonathan
                                                          Duncan <<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a>>

                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline" clear="none">
                                                          <blockquote>
                                                          <div> Hi Val,
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                              With a few
                                                          small
                                                          modifications
                                                          SignWriter
                                                          Studio should
                                                          be able to
                                                          store and
                                                          display
                                                          animated
                                                          GIFs.  Sounds
                                                          like an
                                                          exciting
                                                          project!! <span class="ecxmoz-smiley-s1"> :-)   </span><br clear="none">
                                                              I would be
                                                          glad to update
                                                          SignWriter
                                                          Studio so that
                                                          it have the
                                                          animations.<br clear="none">
                                                          Jonathan<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On

                                                          1/6/2014 4:01
                                                          PM, Valerie
                                                          Sutton wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                                          SignWriting
                                                          List
                                                          <div>January
                                                          6, 2014</div>
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                                                          <div>Hello
                                                          André!</div>
                                                          <div>Thank you
                                                          for this
                                                          message and
                                                          for the
                                                          attached
                                                          PowerPoint -
                                                          It is good to
                                                          know that
                                                          PowerPoint can
                                                          accept
                                                          animated GIFs.
                                                          It looks
                                                          great!</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I agree
                                                          that animated
                                                          SignWriting is
                                                          valuable as an
                                                          educational
                                                          tool…I think
                                                          others agree
                                                          too -</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Would
                                                          you, or anyone
                                                          else, be
                                                          interested in
                                                          working on a
                                                          new project…an
                                                          Animated
                                                          SignWriting
                                                          Dictionary on
                                                          the web?</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Take a
                                                          look at this
                                                          web page:</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a href="http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/</a></div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>It is a
                                                          simple page
                                                          that shows the
                                                          sign written
                                                          in
                                                          SignWriting,
                                                          and to the
                                                          right of the
                                                          sign, is the
                                                          animated
                                                          version of it…</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We could
                                                          have an entire
                                                          site devoted
                                                          to this
                                                          Animated
                                                          SignWriting
                                                          Dictionary and
                                                          Animated
                                                          SignWriting
                                                          Literature
                                                          idea…</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>It could
                                                          be a relaxed
                                                          project for
                                                          fun with no
                                                          deadlines or
                                                          any pressure
                                                          at all (I do
                                                          not like
                                                          deadlines or
                                                          pressure ;-) </div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Just
                                                          whenever the
                                                          whim hits, do
                                                          a few
                                                          animations,
                                                          and save them
                                                          in a file.
                                                          Then we can
                                                          post them in a
                                                          new site...</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          project could
                                                          be done for
                                                          any sign
                                                          language, and
                                                          essentially be
                                                          like a
                                                          SignPuddle
                                                          Online but for
                                                          animated signs
                                                          -</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>And that
                                                          brings up the
                                                          next
                                                          question….Steve
                                                          and
                                                          Jonathan…could
                                                          SignPuddle and
                                                          SignWriter
                                                          Studio store
                                                          animated GIFs?</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Val ;-)</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-------</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>On Jan 6,
                                                          2014, at 9:50
                                                          AM, André L
                                                          <<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">andre-andre@hotmail.ca</a>> wrote:</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hello,<br clear="none">
                                                          Animations
                                                          might be an
                                                          intuitive way
                                                          to teach
                                                          signwriting to
                                                          deaf children.<br clear="none">
                                                          It uses their
                                                          knowledge of
                                                          sign language.<br clear="none">
                                                          The movements
                                                          make the
                                                          writing more
                                                          intuitive,
                                                          closer to
                                                          their
                                                          experience.<br clear="none">
                                                          There are less
                                                          symbols to
                                                          read at once.<br clear="none">
                                                          It is easy to
                                                          display on a
                                                          screen, a
                                                          computer or on
                                                          paper.<br clear="none">
                                                          A teacher can
                                                          write on a
                                                          slide with the
                                                          mouse during
                                                          the class.<br clear="none">
                                                          It is possible
                                                          to create a
                                                          power point
                                                          show (does not
                                                          require power
                                                          point to be
                                                          displayed).<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          Here is an
                                                          example of one
                                                          animated
                                                          word.  It
                                                          could be a
                                                          sentence, a
                                                          small movie...<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
                                                          André Lemyre<br clear="none">
                                                           <br clear="none">
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