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    Bonjour Yosra,<br>
        Vous et votre équipe avez vraiment fait du beau travaille a
    convertir le SWML a SML.  Félicitacions!! <br>
    <br>
        Merci de vos explications et les examples. Ca m'est plus claire
    maintenant.<br>
        Les autre formats de SignWriting n'offrent pas le "height" et
    "width" donc apres l'avoir lu les symboles et leurs positions, il
    faudra les y ajouter les "width" et "height" a partir d'une base de
    donnés.<br>
    <br>
    Bonne journée,<br>
    Jonathan<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/21/2014 3:58 AM, yosra bouzid
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Bonjour Jonathan,
        <div>En fait, j'ai choisi le format SWML comme input à notre
          système car il m'offre des informations concernat les
          coordonnées, le high  et le width de chaque glyph dans le
          pictograph. Ces informations sont très utiles pour:</div>
        <div>- la détermination du type de signe (par exemple il est
          symétrique ou non )</div>
        <div>- ainsi que l'identification des positions initiales des
          mains dans le signe.</div>
        <div>J'ai pas encore traiter les autres formats disponibles mais
          si ils m'offrent les même informations fournies par le SWML
          pourquoi pas.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Le traitement du SWML se fait automatiquement, n'y a aucune
          intervention manuelle</div>
        <div>La première étape consiste à <span style="font-size: 12pt;">mettre
            les symboles dans le bon ordre de lecture e</span><span
            style="font-size: 12pt;">n se basant sur un ensemble de
            règles inspirées de SignSpelling rules.</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">La deuxième étape consiste
            à </span><font style="font-size: 12pt;">identifier les
            informations manquantes comme l'emplacement du premier
            handshape  </font><span style="font-size: 12pt;">ainsi que
            les positions de contact sur le corps du signeur, en vue de
            générer une représentation linguistique précise et claire du
            signe. Un autre ensemble de règles a été adopté ici pour
            gérer le paramètre de location. </span></div>
        <div><font size="3">Mais, comme j'ai </font>déjà ment<font
            size="3">ionné dans l'article, dans certains cas il est
            impossible de déterminer les positions exactes de contact
            lorsque deux symboles de contact ou plus sont intégrés dans
            la notation. Prenons comme exemple le ASL notation de
            "improve", "us" et "prince".  On est obligé ici d'ajouter "
            the detailed location symboles" dans le fichier SWML dés le
            début pour avoir des animations correctes.</font></div>
        <div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">La troisième étape du
            système a été consacrée à la conversion automatique de le
            représentation obtenue en SML</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Vous trouverez ci-joint les
            fichiers SML et SWML de deux exemples de signe </span><span
            style="font-size: 12pt;">simple "politics"  et complexe
            "export" </span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Concernant votre dernière
            question, je ne peux pas vous donner une réponse précise car
            j'ai pas encore traiter des phrases en SW. Mais il peut être
            possible d'animer un avatar à partir d'un Gif animé
            puisqu'il est représenté par une série de notations de SW.</span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Bonne journée,</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Yosra </span></div>
        <div><br>
          <br>
          <div>
            <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:33:12 -0600<br>
            From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a><br>
            Subject: Re: FW: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
            To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
            <br>
            Bonjour Yosra Bouzid, <br>
                 Je viens de jetter un coup d'oeil à <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf"
              target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a> 
            J'ai quelques questions. <br>
            <br>
            Utilisez-vous encore SWML (SignWriting Markup Language)
            comme point de départ du mouvement de l'avatar? Avez-vous
            été en mesure d'utiliser SPML ou le BSW, CSW, KSW ou formats
            FSW disponible dans SignPuddle? <br>
            <br>
            Quelles étapes manuelles avez vous besoin d'exécuter pour
            ajouter l'informations manquantes nécessaires pour animer
            l'avatar? Pourriez-vous s'il vous plaît nous donner des
            comparaisons d'un exemple simple et d'une plus complexe de
            SWML et du SML Sign Modeling Language) résultant  et
            possiblement les étapes nécessaires pour se rendre du SWML
            inicial au SML final? Avez-vous été en mesure d'automatiser
            une certaine partie? <br>
            <br>
            Pensez-vous que si nous aurions chaque trame du GIF animée
            en SignWriting, ca nous ferait la génération de SML plus
            facile ou plus rapide? Ou que nous pourrions tirer tout
            autre avantage quelconque de cela pour animer l'avatar? <br>
            <br>
            Cordialement, <br>
            <br>
            Jonathan<br>
            <br>
            Hello Yosra Bouzid,<br>
                I just had a quick look at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf"
              target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a> 
            .  I have a few questions.<br>
            <br>
            Are you still using SWML (SignWriting Markup Language) as a
            starting point for the avatar movement?  Have you been able
            to use SPML or the BSW, CSW, KSW or FSW formats available in
            SignPuddle?<br>
            <br>
            What manual steps are required to add the missing
            information needed to animate the avatar?  Could you please
            give a simple example and a more complex one comparing the
            SWML and the resulting SML (Sign Modeling Language) and
            possibly the steps required to get from the original SWML to
            the final SML?  How much have you been able to automate some
            of it?<br>
            <br>
            Do you think that if we had the each frame of the animated
            GIF in SignWriting, it would make the generation of SML
            easier or faster?  Or that we could draw any other advantage
            from this to animate the avatar?<br>
            <br>
            Regards, <br>
            <br>
            Jonathan<br>
            <br>
            <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2014 4:04 PM, yosra
              bouzid wrote:<br>
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                    <div>Bonjour André et tous les membres de
                      SignWriting List,</div>
                    <div>je voudrais tout d'abord vous féliciter pour le
                      travail réalisé</div>
                    <div>C'est fascinant de voir ces dessins s'animer en
                      utilisant uniquement des symboles de SignWriting!</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>En fait, <span style="font-size:12pt;">notre
                        approche repose sur l'utilisation d'un agent
                        virtuel pour reproduire fidèlement les gestes
                        manuels et non manuels </span></div>
                    <div>représentés dans une notation de SignWriting.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Par exemple, vous trouverez ci-joint des
                      animations générées à partir des transcriptions
                      des signes:</div>
                    <div> - <b>désolé</b> en  langue des signes
                      tunisienne </div>
                    <div> - <b>deaf</b>    en  langue des signes
                      américaine</div>
                    <div> - <b>oiseau</b>  en langue des signes
                      française</div>
                    <div>(je suis désolée car les séquences vidéo ne
                      sont pas de bonne qualité)</div>
                    <div>(note: je vais les envoyer une par une pour ne
                      pas avoir des problèmes de réception)</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Nous avons converti jusqu'à présent plus de
                      1000 notations et nous allons créer très
                      prochainement</div>
                    <div> un site web tuniSigner <span
                        style="font-size:12pt;">pour permettre aux
                        participants d'évaluer la qualité des animations
                        produites</span></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Hello André and all the SignWriting List
                      members,</div>
                    <div>
                      <div>First of all, I want to congratulate you on
                        the excellent job you did</div>
                      <div>It is amazing to see an animated gif from
                        SignWriting symbols !!</div>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>In fact, our work aims to interpret a
                        SignWriting notation through a 3D virtual signer
                        able to perform faithfully the exact gestures
                        represented in the notation.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>For example, you will find attached the
                        generated animations from the following
                        transcriptions:</div>
                      <div> - sorry (désolé) in Tunisian Sign Lnaguage</div>
                      <div> - Deaf                in American Sign
                        Language</div>
                      <div> - bird (oiseau)   in French sign language</div>
                      <div>( I 'm sorry because the video is not of good
                        quality)</div>
                      <div>(I'll send the <span style="font-size:12pt;">video

                          sequences</span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> one
                          by one for not receiving error notification in
                          delivering message)</span></div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Our system has converted until now more than
                        1000 notations and we aim to create, very soon,
                        our proper website tuniSigner to allow
                        participants to evaluate the quality of the
                        produced animations</div>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014
                      12:25:45 -0500<br>
                      From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
                      To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Bonjour Mohamed JEMNI,<br>
                        Bonjour Yosra BOUZID,<br>
                        <br>
                        il y a présentement une discussion sur le forum
                        général de SignWriting sur la pertinence et la
                        faisabilité d'utiliser des animations en format
                        gif pour enseigner l'écriture de langue
                        signées.  Ces animations mettaient en mouvement
                        les symboles standard de SignWriting.  <br>
                         <br>
                        Une extension de cette idée est d'intégrer ces
                        animations dans les dictionnaires de SignWriting
                        comme sign puddle.  Il serait alors possible de
                        traduire automatiquement de longs textes en mode
                        animation.  Ce concept est très proche de
                        l'avatar que vous avez développé.<br>
                         <br>
                        Pourriez-vous vous joindre à nous pour cette
                        réflexion?<br>
                         <br>
                        Merci<br>
                         <br>
                        André Lemyre<br>
                         <br>
                        En attachement vous trouverez les discussions
                        précédentes et un exemple d'animation.<br>
                         <br>
                        <div>
                          <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014
                          07:42:43 -0600<br>
                          From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                            href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a><br>
                          Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
                          To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                            href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
                          <br>
                          Hi Andre,<br>
                              One of the great chanllenges of using the
                          current software for animated GIFs is lining
                          up one frame with the next. <br>
                          Your idea of all frames having head, is a good
                          idea for a center, but if each GIF frame is a
                          different size it will only be a little help
                          for aligning them.  A solution with a fixed
                          width and height per animation would be better
                          (it could be different from one animation to
                          another).<br>
                          <br>
                          I was thinking on way would be to make a
                          vertical line and a horizontal line in the
                          SignWriting as a reference. It would be have
                          to be big enough to fit all the animation we
                          would want to write. All frames would come out
                          the same size and everything would be referent
                          (centered) to these lines.<br>
                          <br>
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                          <br>
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                          <br>
                          The down side is that you would have to
                          manually take out the lines afterwards frame
                          by frame.<br>
                          <br>
                          Or<br>
                          <br>
                          In SignWriter Studio these lines could even be
                          white just like the background.  (Sorry no
                          support for transparencies in SignWriter
                          Studio at this time).  Then with a graphics
                          program that does transparencies change the
                          white to transparent.  Just don't use the same
                          white (maybe an offwhite) for the hands as for
                          the background and the lines.<br>
                          <br>
                          Jonathan<br>
                          <br>
                          <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2014
                            12:02 PM, André L wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Such an editor would take
                              existing signs and allow manipulating
                              them.  <br>
                              Example: Selecting a vertical hand would
                              allow to puting it horizontal to
                              illustrate a rotation...<br>
                               <br>
                              Such software should not be coded too
                              soon. People need to explore the
                              possibilities.  The proof of concept is
                              starting.<br>
                               <br>
                              This is my current process.<br>
                              1- Import a dictionary in sign writer
                              studio.<br>
                              2- Select a sign.<br>
                              3-Create a copy of the sign.<br>
                              4-Edit the sign by selecting symbols to
                              duplicate or reposition.<br>
                              5-If necessary add a head.  This
                              defines where the hands will be located.<br>
                              6-Copy paste an image of signwriter studio
                              in pain.<br>
                              7-Resize the paint display.<br>
                              -----transparency setting would come
                              here----<br>
                              8-Create several copies of the written
                              sign.<br>
                              9-Edit each file with the same name and a
                              counter (file 0 is the original written
                              sign with extra transition symbols).  The
                              head is my origin.  It should not move.<br>
                              10-Feed the files in a gif animator.<br>
                               <br>
                               <br>
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                                <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 8
                                Jan 2014 09:43:06 -0800<br>
                                From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                  href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br>
                                Subject: Re: Animations to teach
                                signwriting<br>
                                To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                  href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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                                        <p dir="ltr">Yes, it sound like
                                          we will need to developing
                                          "Animated Signwriting Creator"
                                          software where it
                                          automatically set up rules and
                                          grids template screen to
                                          positioning loops cycle for us
                                          to follow to prevent errors.
                                          And capacity to format
                                          transparent background</p>
                                        <p dir="ltr">Dale Archuleta</p>
                                        <p dir="ltr"><a
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                                            Yahoo Mail on Android</a></p>
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                                        <hr size="1"> <b> <span
                                            style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
                                        </b> André L <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                        <br>
                                        <b> <span
                                            style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span>
                                        </b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                          href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>;
                                        <br>
                                        <b> <span
                                            style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span>
                                        </b> Re: Animations to teach
                                        signwriting <br>
                                        <b> <span
                                            style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span>
                                        </b> Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:25:35 PM
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                                              <div dir="ltr">I agree
                                                with you that mixing
                                                signwriting and videos
                                                will become an habit in
                                                some future.  The need
                                                cannot be delayed, we
                                                would have to redo much
                                                work.<br clear="none">
                                                 <br clear="none">
                                                The template window
                                                frame for the gif may be
                                                big.  We must allow the
                                                character to extend 
                                                left and right arms. 
                                                That would make a huge
                                                white square on top of a
                                                video.  Transparency
                                                would hide less of the
                                                content.<br clear="none">
                                                Another example would be
                                                animated cartoons.<br
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                                                 <br clear="none">
                                                André Lemyre<br
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                                                  <hr
                                                    id="ecxstopSpelling">Date:

                                                  Wed, 8 Jan 2014
                                                  07:31:07 -0800<br
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                                                  From: <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                    href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br
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                                                  Subject: Re:
                                                  Animations to teach
                                                  signwriting<br
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                                                  To: <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                    href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">Andre

                                                          Lemyre</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">There
                                                          are several
                                                          reasons why
                                                          transparent
                                                          background is
                                                          needed but it
                                                          is not
                                                          required. One
                                                          of examples,
                                                          if I want to
                                                          put animated
                                                          signwriting on
                                                          the pictures
                                                          or videos on
                                                          fixed opacity
                                                          transparent
                                                          background to
                                                          easy on eyes
                                                          comfort to
                                                          reading
                                                          without colors
                                                          inpurterted
                                                          matched
                                                          colors. It
                                                          would be lot
                                                          of work if I
                                                          have to modify
                                                          GIFS
                                                          personally.
                                                          I'm sure some
                                                          of people has
                                                          other reasons.</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Dale

                                                          Archuleta</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android"
                                                          shape="rect"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></p>
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
                                                          </b> André L <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                                          href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                                          <br
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span>
                                                          </b> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                                          href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>;
                                                          <br
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span>
                                                          </b> Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting <br
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span>
                                                          </b> Wed, Jan
                                                          8, 2014
                                                          12:15:57 PM <br
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Do

                                                          you have an
                                                          example of a
                                                          need to
                                                          overlay a sign
                                                          to something
                                                          else?<br
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                                                          I think that I
                                                          saw a free gif
                                                          animator 10
                                                          years ago that
                                                          supported
                                                          transparent
                                                          beackground.<br
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                                                          I will do a
                                                          research.<br
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                                                           <br
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                                                          André Lemyre<br
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                                                           <br
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                                                          <hr
                                                          id="ecxstopSpelling">Date:


                                                          Tue, 7 Jan
                                                          2014 21:03:14
                                                          -0800<br
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                                                          From: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br
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                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting<br
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                                                          To: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">Hello


                                                          </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">I
                                                          understood
                                                          most Editors
                                                          programs
                                                          doesn't
                                                          supports
                                                          transparent
                                                          backgrounds. I
                                                          feel its very
                                                          important to
                                                          have entirely
                                                          transparent
                                                          background
                                                          because it's
                                                          able to
                                                          overlays
                                                          anything
                                                          without
                                                          modification.
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Dale


                                                          Archuleta </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android"
                                                          shape="rect"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></p>
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
                                                          </b> André L <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                                          href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                                          <br
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span>
                                                          </b> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                                          href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU></a>;
                                                          <br
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span>
                                                          </b> Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting <br
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span>
                                                          </b> Wed, Jan
                                                          8, 2014
                                                          4:23:30 AM <br
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hello,</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          agree with a
                                                          reserve.<br
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                                                          We may want
                                                          the white
                                                          surfaces of
                                                          the hands and
                                                          the face to
                                                          remain white
                                                          if we display
                                                          the animation
                                                          on a coloured
                                                          background. 
                                                          Also, in my
                                                          first 
                                                          attempts I
                                                          used Microsoft
                                                          paint, which
                                                          does not
                                                          support
                                                          transparent
                                                          background. 
                                                          Considering
                                                          that dictionnaries
                                                          have between
                                                          1000 and 5000
                                                          words, and
                                                          there are
                                                          several
                                                          contributors,
                                                          we need to
                                                          ensure ease of
                                                          creation to
                                                          make this
                                                          project grow. 
                                                          Standards will
                                                          be important
                                                          to avoid
                                                          redoing the
                                                          work when
                                                          someone finds
                                                          a better way
                                                          to proceed.<br
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                                                           <br
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                                                          Also, I will
                                                          contact soon
                                                          the tunisian
                                                          team who
                                                          worked on an
                                                          avatar that
                                                          translates SignWriting
                                                          in a 3D
                                                          animation.   I
                                                          would start
                                                          with  Yosra
                                                          Bouzid and
                                                          Mohamed Jemni.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf"
                                                          shape="rect"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a></div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html"
                                                          shape="rect"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html</a></div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br
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                                                          Conceptually,
                                                          our doing gif
                                                          animation is a
                                                          subset of what
                                                          the avatar
                                                          does in an
                                                          automated
                                                          manner.  The
                                                          avatar may be
                                                          able to write
                                                          the gif
                                                          animations in
                                                          an automated
                                                          manner on a
                                                          large scale. 
                                                          I such
                                                          scenario would
                                                          happen, our
                                                          best input may
                                                          become to
                                                          increase the
                                                          dictionnaries
                                                          size to "feed"
                                                          the avatar or
                                                          to help it
                                                          with
                                                          directional
                                                          words
                                                          (example: I
                                                          give you, you
                                                          give me). </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Concertation


                                                          will be
                                                          important
                                                          before going
                                                          any further.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">André


                                                          Lemyre<br
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <hr
                                                          id="ecxstopSpelling">Date:


                                                          Tue, 7 Jan
                                                          2014 19:39:37
                                                          -0800<br
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                                                          From: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM">freddyfingaz83@YAHOO.COM</a><br
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                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting<br
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                                                          To: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">I
                                                          also agreed
                                                          rules needs to
                                                          be applied
                                                          before
                                                          processing the
                                                          animated
                                                          dictionary.
                                                          Such as size,
                                                          resolute,
                                                          aligned
                                                          positioning,
                                                          etc... I would
                                                          like offer to
                                                          add other
                                                          rule. All GIFS
                                                          should have
                                                          transparent
                                                          backgrounds.
                                                          In a case, we
                                                          will not need
                                                          to reformat
                                                          entire
                                                          dictionary in
                                                          future use. </p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Dale


                                                          Archuleta</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android"
                                                          shape="rect"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></p>
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
                                                          </b> André L <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                                          href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
                                                          <br
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                                                          <b> <span
                                                          style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span>
                                                          </b> <a
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                                                          </b> Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting <br
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                                                          </b> Tue, Jan
                                                          7, 2014
                                                          1:57:39 AM <br
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hello


                                                          Jonathan and
                                                          Valerie,<br
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                                                          I would prefer
                                                          to have the
                                                          animations with
                                                          the regular
                                                          dictionaries ,
                                                          just like the
                                                          optional illustration


                                                          or video but
                                                          distinct.<br
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                                                          In a distant
                                                          future, the
                                                          translate
                                                          feature could
                                                          concatenate
                                                          the animations
                                                          in long
                                                          stories.<br
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                                                          I will spend
                                                          some time
                                                          preparing
                                                          samples of
                                                          animations to
                                                          see how
                                                          symbols could
                                                          be used (good
                                                          and bad
                                                          examples).  I
                                                          will provide
                                                          several
                                                          alternatives
                                                          for people to
                                                          compare.  I
                                                          will make a
                                                          document to
                                                          open a
                                                          discussion
                                                          establish some
                                                          standards (not
                                                          my personal
                                                          preferences). 
                                                          We do not want
                                                          an animation
                                                          of several
                                                          words being
                                                          misaligned,
                                                          shrinking and
                                                          growing with
                                                          blinking 
                                                          fuzzy heads
                                                          with several
                                                          file formats
                                                          and
                                                          resolution.  <br
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                                                          We will need
                                                          the opinion of
                                                          Deaf people,
                                                          programmers,
                                                          teachers,
                                                           SignWriters,
                                                          children and
                                                          teenagers for
                                                          an acceptance
                                                          test.  Speed
                                                          will be an
                                                          issue, I
                                                          expect Deaf
                                                          people and
                                                          fluent
                                                          signwriters to
                                                          prefer fast
                                                          videos (i.e.
                                                          at a signing
                                                          speed) while
                                                          beginners will
                                                          be lost.  <br
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                                                          André Lemyre<br
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                                                          Mon, 6 Jan
                                                          2014 17:34:07
                                                          -0800<br
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                                                          From: <a
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                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          Animations to
                                                          teach
                                                          signwriting<br
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                                                          To: <a
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                                                          SignWriting
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                                                          6, 2014</div>
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                                                          <div>Thank
                                                          you, Jonathan!</div>
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                                                          <div>Val ;-)</div>
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                                                          <div>——</div>
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                                                          <div>On Jan 6,
                                                          2014, at 4:27
                                                          PM, Jonathan
                                                          Duncan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a>>


                                                          wrote:</div>
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                                                          <div> Hi Val,
                                                          <br
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                                                              With a few
                                                          small
                                                          modifications
                                                          SignWriter
                                                          Studio should
                                                          be able to
                                                          store and
                                                          display
                                                          animated
                                                          GIFs.  Sounds
                                                          like an
                                                          exciting
                                                          project!! <span
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                                                              I would be
                                                          glad to update
                                                          SignWriter
                                                          Studio so that
                                                          it have the
                                                          animations.<br
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                                                          Jonathan<br
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                                                          1/6/2014 4:01
                                                          PM, Valerie
                                                          Sutton wrote:<br
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                                                          SignWriting
                                                          List
                                                          <div>January
                                                          6, 2014</div>
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                                                          <div>Hello
                                                          André!</div>
                                                          <div>Thank you
                                                          for this
                                                          message and
                                                          for the
                                                          attached
                                                          PowerPoint -
                                                          It is good to
                                                          know that
                                                          PowerPoint can
                                                          accept
                                                          animated GIFs.
                                                          It looks
                                                          great!</div>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I agree
                                                          that animated
                                                          SignWriting is
                                                          valuable as an
                                                          educational
                                                          tool…I think
                                                          others agree
                                                          too -</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Would
                                                          you, or anyone
                                                          else, be
                                                          interested in
                                                          working on a
                                                          new project…an
                                                          Animated
                                                          SignWriting
                                                          Dictionary on
                                                          the web?</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Take a
                                                          look at this
                                                          web page:</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          <div><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/" shape="rect"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
target="_blank">http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/</a></div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>It is a
                                                          simple page
                                                          that shows the
                                                          sign written
                                                          in
                                                          SignWriting,
                                                          and to the
                                                          right of the
                                                          sign, is the
                                                          animated
                                                          version of it…</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We could
                                                          have an entire
                                                          site devoted
                                                          to this
                                                          Animated
                                                          SignWriting
                                                          Dictionary and
                                                          Animated
                                                          SignWriting
                                                          Literature
                                                          idea…</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>It could
                                                          be a relaxed
                                                          project for
                                                          fun with no
                                                          deadlines or
                                                          any pressure
                                                          at all (I do
                                                          not like
                                                          deadlines or
                                                          pressure ;-) </div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Just
                                                          whenever the
                                                          whim hits, do
                                                          a few
                                                          animations,
                                                          and save them
                                                          in a file.
                                                          Then we can
                                                          post them in a
                                                          new site...</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          project could
                                                          be done for
                                                          any sign
                                                          language, and
                                                          essentially be
                                                          like a
                                                          SignPuddle
                                                          Online but for
                                                          animated signs
                                                          -</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>And that
                                                          brings up the
                                                          next
                                                          question….Steve
                                                          and
                                                          Jonathan…could
                                                          SignPuddle and
                                                          SignWriter
                                                          Studio store
                                                          animated GIFs?</div>
                                                          <div><br
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Val ;-)</div>
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                                                          <div>-------</div>
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                                                          <div>On Jan 6,
                                                          2014, at 9:50
                                                          AM, André L
                                                          <<a
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target="_blank">andre-andre@hotmail.ca</a>> wrote:</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hello,<br
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                                                          Animations
                                                          might be an
                                                          intuitive way
                                                          to teach
                                                          signwriting to
                                                          deaf children.<br
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                                                          It uses their
                                                          knowledge of
                                                          sign language.<br
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                                                          The movements
                                                          make the
                                                          writing more
                                                          intuitive,
                                                          closer to
                                                          their
                                                          experience.<br
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                                                          There are less
                                                          symbols to
                                                          read at once.<br
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                                                          It is easy to
                                                          display on a
                                                          screen, a
                                                          computer or on
                                                          paper.<br
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                                                          A teacher can
                                                          write on a
                                                          slide with the
                                                          mouse during
                                                          the class.<br
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                                                          It is possible
                                                          to create a
                                                          power point
                                                          show (does not
                                                          require power
                                                          point to be
                                                          displayed).<br
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                                                          Here is an
                                                          example of one
                                                          animated
                                                          word.  It
                                                          could be a
                                                          sentence, a
                                                          small movie...<br
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                                                           <br
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                                                           <br
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                                                          André Lemyre<br
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