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Bonjour Yosra,<br>
Vous et votre équipe avez vraiment fait du beau travaille a
convertir le SWML a SML. Félicitacions!! <br>
<br>
Merci de vos explications et les examples. Ca m'est plus claire
maintenant.<br>
Les autre formats de SignWriting n'offrent pas le "height" et
"width" donc apres l'avoir lu les symboles et leurs positions, il
faudra les y ajouter les "width" et "height" a partir d'une base de
donnés.<br>
<br>
Bonne journée,<br>
Jonathan<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/21/2014 3:58 AM, yosra bouzid
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Bonjour Jonathan,
<div>En fait, j'ai choisi le format SWML comme input à notre
système car il m'offre des informations concernat les
coordonnées, le high et le width de chaque glyph dans le
pictograph. Ces informations sont très utiles pour:</div>
<div>- la détermination du type de signe (par exemple il est
symétrique ou non )</div>
<div>- ainsi que l'identification des positions initiales des
mains dans le signe.</div>
<div>J'ai pas encore traiter les autres formats disponibles mais
si ils m'offrent les même informations fournies par le SWML
pourquoi pas.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Le traitement du SWML se fait automatiquement, n'y a aucune
intervention manuelle</div>
<div>La première étape consiste à <span style="font-size: 12pt;">mettre
les symboles dans le bon ordre de lecture e</span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">n se basant sur un ensemble de
règles inspirées de SignSpelling rules.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">La deuxième étape consiste
à </span><font style="font-size: 12pt;">identifier les
informations manquantes comme l'emplacement du premier
handshape </font><span style="font-size: 12pt;">ainsi que
les positions de contact sur le corps du signeur, en vue de
générer une représentation linguistique précise et claire du
signe. Un autre ensemble de règles a été adopté ici pour
gérer le paramètre de location. </span></div>
<div><font size="3">Mais, comme j'ai </font>déjà ment<font
size="3">ionné dans l'article, dans certains cas il est
impossible de déterminer les positions exactes de contact
lorsque deux symboles de contact ou plus sont intégrés dans
la notation. Prenons comme exemple le ASL notation de
"improve", "us" et "prince". On est obligé ici d'ajouter "
the detailed location symboles" dans le fichier SWML dés le
début pour avoir des animations correctes.</font></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">La troisième étape du
système a été consacrée à la conversion automatique de le
représentation obtenue en SML</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Vous trouverez ci-joint les
fichiers SML et SWML de deux exemples de signe </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">simple "politics" et complexe
"export" </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Concernant votre dernière
question, je ne peux pas vous donner une réponse précise car
j'ai pas encore traiter des phrases en SW. Mais il peut être
possible d'animer un avatar à partir d'un Gif animé
puisqu'il est représenté par une série de notations de SW.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
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<div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Bonne journée,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Yosra </span></div>
<div><br>
<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:33:12 -0600<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a><br>
Subject: Re: FW: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
<br>
Bonjour Yosra Bouzid, <br>
Je viens de jetter un coup d'oeil à <a
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href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf"
target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a>
J'ai quelques questions. <br>
<br>
Utilisez-vous encore SWML (SignWriting Markup Language)
comme point de départ du mouvement de l'avatar? Avez-vous
été en mesure d'utiliser SPML ou le BSW, CSW, KSW ou formats
FSW disponible dans SignPuddle? <br>
<br>
Quelles étapes manuelles avez vous besoin d'exécuter pour
ajouter l'informations manquantes nécessaires pour animer
l'avatar? Pourriez-vous s'il vous plaît nous donner des
comparaisons d'un exemple simple et d'une plus complexe de
SWML et du SML Sign Modeling Language) résultant et
possiblement les étapes nécessaires pour se rendre du SWML
inicial au SML final? Avez-vous été en mesure d'automatiser
une certaine partie? <br>
<br>
Pensez-vous que si nous aurions chaque trame du GIF animée
en SignWriting, ca nous ferait la génération de SML plus
facile ou plus rapide? Ou que nous pourrions tirer tout
autre avantage quelconque de cela pour animer l'avatar? <br>
<br>
Cordialement, <br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
Hello Yosra Bouzid,<br>
I just had a quick look at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf"
target="_blank">http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf</a>
. I have a few questions.<br>
<br>
Are you still using SWML (SignWriting Markup Language) as a
starting point for the avatar movement? Have you been able
to use SPML or the BSW, CSW, KSW or FSW formats available in
SignPuddle?<br>
<br>
What manual steps are required to add the missing
information needed to animate the avatar? Could you please
give a simple example and a more complex one comparing the
SWML and the resulting SML (Sign Modeling Language) and
possibly the steps required to get from the original SWML to
the final SML? How much have you been able to automate some
of it?<br>
<br>
Do you think that if we had the each frame of the animated
GIF in SignWriting, it would make the generation of SML
easier or faster? Or that we could draw any other advantage
from this to animate the avatar?<br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2014 4:04 PM, yosra
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<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>Bonjour André et tous les membres de
SignWriting List,</div>
<div>je voudrais tout d'abord vous féliciter pour le
travail réalisé</div>
<div>C'est fascinant de voir ces dessins s'animer en
utilisant uniquement des symboles de SignWriting!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>En fait, <span style="font-size:12pt;">notre
approche repose sur l'utilisation d'un agent
virtuel pour reproduire fidèlement les gestes
manuels et non manuels </span></div>
<div>représentés dans une notation de SignWriting.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Par exemple, vous trouverez ci-joint des
animations générées à partir des transcriptions
des signes:</div>
<div> - <b>désolé</b> en langue des signes
tunisienne </div>
<div> - <b>deaf</b> en langue des signes
américaine</div>
<div> - <b>oiseau</b> en langue des signes
française</div>
<div>(je suis désolée car les séquences vidéo ne
sont pas de bonne qualité)</div>
<div>(note: je vais les envoyer une par une pour ne
pas avoir des problèmes de réception)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nous avons converti jusqu'à présent plus de
1000 notations et nous allons créer très
prochainement</div>
<div> un site web tuniSigner <span
style="font-size:12pt;">pour permettre aux
participants d'évaluer la qualité des animations
produites</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello André and all the SignWriting List
members,</div>
<div>
<div>First of all, I want to congratulate you on
the excellent job you did</div>
<div>It is amazing to see an animated gif from
SignWriting symbols !!</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In fact, our work aims to interpret a
SignWriting notation through a 3D virtual signer
able to perform faithfully the exact gestures
represented in the notation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For example, you will find attached the
generated animations from the following
transcriptions:</div>
<div> - sorry (désolé) in Tunisian Sign Lnaguage</div>
<div> - Deaf in American Sign
Language</div>
<div> - bird (oiseau) in French sign language</div>
<div>( I 'm sorry because the video is not of good
quality)</div>
<div>(I'll send the <span style="font-size:12pt;">video
sequences</span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> one
by one for not receiving error notification in
delivering message)</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Our system has converted until now more than
1000 notations and we aim to create, very soon,
our proper website tuniSigner to allow
participants to evaluate the quality of the
produced animations</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014
12:25:45 -0500<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA">andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA</a><br>
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Bonjour Mohamed JEMNI,<br>
Bonjour Yosra BOUZID,<br>
<br>
il y a présentement une discussion sur le forum
général de SignWriting sur la pertinence et la
faisabilité d'utiliser des animations en format
gif pour enseigner l'écriture de langue
signées. Ces animations mettaient en mouvement
les symboles standard de SignWriting. <br>
<br>
Une extension de cette idée est d'intégrer ces
animations dans les dictionnaires de SignWriting
comme sign puddle. Il serait alors possible de
traduire automatiquement de longs textes en mode
animation. Ce concept est très proche de
l'avatar que vous avez développé.<br>
<br>
Pourriez-vous vous joindre à nous pour cette
réflexion?<br>
<br>
Merci<br>
<br>
André Lemyre<br>
<br>
En attachement vous trouverez les discussions
précédentes et un exemple d'animation.<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014
07:42:43 -0600<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA">duncanjonathan@YAHOO.CA</a><br>
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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Hi Andre,<br>
One of the great chanllenges of using the
current software for animated GIFs is lining
up one frame with the next. <br>
Your idea of all frames having head, is a good
idea for a center, but if each GIF frame is a
different size it will only be a little help
for aligning them. A solution with a fixed
width and height per animation would be better
(it could be different from one animation to
another).<br>
<br>
I was thinking on way would be to make a
vertical line and a horizontal line in the
SignWriting as a reference. It would be have
to be big enough to fit all the animation we
would want to write. All frames would come out
the same size and everything would be referent
(centered) to these lines.<br>
<br>
<img alt=""
src="cid:part9.08070504.09040402@yahoo.ca"><br>
<br>
M596x597S37a00403x404S37a00403x452S37a00403x500S37a00403x548S37a0e404x595S37a0e452x595S37a0e500x595S37a0e548x595<br>
<br>
The down side is that you would have to
manually take out the lines afterwards frame
by frame.<br>
<br>
Or<br>
<br>
In SignWriter Studio these lines could even be
white just like the background. (Sorry no
support for transparencies in SignWriter
Studio at this time). Then with a graphics
program that does transparencies change the
white to transparent. Just don't use the same
white (maybe an offwhite) for the hands as for
the background and the lines.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2014
12:02 PM, André L wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Such an editor would take
existing signs and allow manipulating
them. <br>
Example: Selecting a vertical hand would
allow to puting it horizontal to
illustrate a rotation...<br>
<br>
Such software should not be coded too
soon. People need to explore the
possibilities. The proof of concept is
starting.<br>
<br>
This is my current process.<br>
1- Import a dictionary in sign writer
studio.<br>
2- Select a sign.<br>
3-Create a copy of the sign.<br>
4-Edit the sign by selecting symbols to
duplicate or reposition.<br>
5-If necessary add a head. This
defines where the hands will be located.<br>
6-Copy paste an image of signwriter studio
in pain.<br>
7-Resize the paint display.<br>
-----transparency setting would come
here----<br>
8-Create several copies of the written
sign.<br>
9-Edit each file with the same name and a
counter (file 0 is the original written
sign with extra transition symbols). The
head is my origin. It should not move.<br>
10-Feed the files in a gif animator.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Jan 2014 09:43:06 -0800<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: Animations to teach
signwriting<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br>
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<p dir="ltr">Yes, it sound like
we will need to developing
"Animated Signwriting Creator"
software where it
automatically set up rules and
grids template screen to
positioning loops cycle for us
to follow to prevent errors.
And capacity to format
transparent background</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale Archuleta</p>
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<hr size="1"> <b> <span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
</b> André L <a
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</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b> <span
style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span>
</b> Re: Animations to teach
signwriting <br>
<b> <span
style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span>
</b> Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:25:35 PM
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<div dir="ltr">I agree
with you that mixing
signwriting and videos
will become an habit in
some future. The need
cannot be delayed, we
would have to redo much
work.<br clear="none">
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The template window
frame for the gif may be
big. We must allow the
character to extend
left and right arms.
That would make a huge
white square on top of a
video. Transparency
would hide less of the
content.<br clear="none">
Another example would be
animated cartoons.<br
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<br clear="none">
André Lemyre<br
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07:31:07 -0800<br
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Subject: Re:
Animations to teach
signwriting<br
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<p dir="ltr">Andre
Lemyre</p>
<p dir="ltr">There
are several
reasons why
transparent
background is
needed but it
is not
required. One
of examples,
if I want to
put animated
signwriting on
the pictures
or videos on
fixed opacity
transparent
background to
easy on eyes
comfort to
reading
without colors
inpurterted
matched
colors. It
would be lot
of work if I
have to modify
GIFS
personally.
I'm sure some
of people has
other reasons.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale
Archuleta</p>
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<b> <span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
</b> André L <a
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href="mailto:andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA"><andre-andre@HOTMAIL.CA></a>;
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</b> <a
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<b> <span
style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span>
</b> Re:
Animations to
teach
signwriting <br
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<b> <span
style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span>
</b> Wed, Jan
8, 2014
12:15:57 PM <br
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<div dir="ltr">Do
you have an
example of a
need to
overlay a sign
to something
else?<br
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I think that I
saw a free gif
animator 10
years ago that
supported
transparent
beackground.<br
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I will do a
research.<br
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<br
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André Lemyre<br
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2014 21:03:14
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Subject: Re:
Animations to
teach
signwriting<br
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To: <a
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<p dir="ltr">Hello
</p>
<p dir="ltr">I
understood
most Editors
programs
doesn't
supports
transparent
backgrounds. I
feel its very
important to
have entirely
transparent
background
because it's
able to
overlays
anything
without
modification.
</p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale
Archuleta </p>
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</b> André L <a
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<b> <span
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</b> Re:
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teach
signwriting <br
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8, 2014
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I
agree with a
reserve.<br
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We may want
the white
surfaces of
the hands and
the face to
remain white
if we display
the animation
on a coloured
background.
Also, in my
first
attempts I
used Microsoft
paint, which
does not
support
transparent
background.
Considering
that dictionnaries
have between
1000 and 5000
words, and
there are
several
contributors,
we need to
ensure ease of
creation to
make this
project grow.
Standards will
be important
to avoid
redoing the
work when
someone finds
a better way
to proceed.<br
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Also, I will
contact soon
the tunisian
team who
worked on an
avatar that
translates SignWriting
in a 3D
animation. I
would start
with Yosra
Bouzid and
Mohamed Jemni.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a
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Conceptually,
our doing gif
animation is a
subset of what
the avatar
does in an
automated
manner. The
avatar may be
able to write
the gif
animations in
an automated
manner on a
large scale.
I such
scenario would
happen, our
best input may
become to
increase the
dictionnaries
size to "feed"
the avatar or
to help it
with
directional
words
(example: I
give you, you
give me). </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Concertation
will be
important
before going
any further.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">André
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2014 19:39:37
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<p dir="ltr">I
also agreed
rules needs to
be applied
before
processing the
animated
dictionary.
Such as size,
resolute,
aligned
positioning,
etc... I would
like offer to
add other
rule. All GIFS
should have
transparent
backgrounds.
In a case, we
will not need
to reformat
entire
dictionary in
future use. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Dale
Archuleta</p>
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Jonathan and
Valerie,<br
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I would prefer
to have the
animations with
the regular
dictionaries ,
just like the
optional illustration
or video but
distinct.<br
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In a distant
future, the
translate
feature could
concatenate
the animations
in long
stories.<br
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I will spend
some time
preparing
samples of
animations to
see how
symbols could
be used (good
and bad
examples). I
will provide
several
alternatives
for people to
compare. I
will make a
document to
open a
discussion
establish some
standards (not
my personal
preferences).
We do not want
an animation
of several
words being
misaligned,
shrinking and
growing with
blinking
fuzzy heads
with several
file formats
and
resolution. <br
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We will need
the opinion of
Deaf people,
programmers,
teachers,
SignWriters,
children and
teenagers for
an acceptance
test. Speed
will be an
issue, I
expect Deaf
people and
fluent
signwriters to
prefer fast
videos (i.e.
at a signing
speed) while
beginners will
be lost. <br
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<div>Thank
you, Jonathan!</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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<div>On Jan 6,
2014, at 4:27
PM, Jonathan
Duncan <<a
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With a few
small
modifications
SignWriter
Studio should
be able to
store and
display
animated
GIFs. Sounds
like an
exciting
project!! <span
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I would be
glad to update
SignWriter
Studio so that
it have the
animations.<br
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Jonathan<br
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<div>Hello
André!</div>
<div>Thank you
for this
message and
for the
attached
PowerPoint -
It is good to
know that
PowerPoint can
accept
animated GIFs.
It looks
great!</div>
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<div>I agree
that animated
SignWriting is
valuable as an
educational
tool…I think
others agree
too -</div>
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<div>Would
you, or anyone
else, be
interested in
working on a
new project…an
Animated
SignWriting
Dictionary on
the web?</div>
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<div>Take a
look at this
web page:</div>
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<div>It is a
simple page
that shows the
sign written
in
SignWriting,
and to the
right of the
sign, is the
animated
version of it…</div>
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<div>We could
have an entire
site devoted
to this
Animated
SignWriting
Dictionary and
Animated
SignWriting
Literature
idea…</div>
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<div>It could
be a relaxed
project for
fun with no
deadlines or
any pressure
at all (I do
not like
deadlines or
pressure ;-) </div>
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<div>Just
whenever the
whim hits, do
a few
animations,
and save them
in a file.
Then we can
post them in a
new site...</div>
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<div>The
project could
be done for
any sign
language, and
essentially be
like a
SignPuddle
Online but for
animated signs
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<div>And that
brings up the
next
question….Steve
and
Jonathan…could
SignPuddle and
SignWriter
Studio store
animated GIFs?</div>
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<div>Val ;-)</div>
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2014, at 9:50
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br
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Animations
might be an
intuitive way
to teach
signwriting to
deaf children.<br
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It uses their
knowledge of
sign language.<br
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The movements
make the
writing more
intuitive,
closer to
their
experience.<br
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There are less
symbols to
read at once.<br
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It is easy to
display on a
screen, a
computer or on
paper.<br
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A teacher can
write on a
slide with the
mouse during
the class.<br
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It is possible
to create a
power point
show (does not
require power
point to be
displayed).<br
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Here is an
example of one
animated
word. It
could be a
sentence, a
small movie...<br
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