<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I would agree with your assessment Valerie, that in ASL, the symbol of question mark is essentially a pause, and note from the grammar that it is coupled with a repeated word "you", "why," "who" at the beginning and the end of a phrase, similar to me with Spanish where there is a question mark at the beginning and end of the phrase. The coupling of a pause with repeated marker is translated "interrogative" for the entire phrase. One could put an interrogative where the question mark is used (when ASL actually puts "ask" but that is misinterpreting "ask" as "question" where "ask" is a particular use of ASL phraseology. More often "question mark" is a combination of repetition, a pause, and a facial expression in the repeated chereme (eyebrows up). </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles
Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Valerie Sutton <signwriting@MAC.COM><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 22, 2014 2:45 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Question mark question<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv8910367231"><div>SignWriting List<div>March 22, 2014</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Hello Jonathan and Cherie!</div><div>I will be happy to answer your question about the Question Mark next
message, but just to make it clear, the link and the description that Jonathan has pasted here is an excerpt from a Master’s Degree Thesis by Amy Rosenberg:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><center><b><font color="#003f7f" size="+2">Writing Signed
Languages<br clear="none">
</font></b>In Support of Adopting an ASL Writing System</center><center><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/research/rese010.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/research/rese010.html</a></center><div><br clear="none" class="yiv8910367231webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br clear="none" class="yiv8910367231webkit-block-placeholder"></div><center>by<b><br clear="none">
Amy Rosenberg<br clear="none">
</b>Master's Thesis, University of Kansas<br clear="none">
Department of Linguistics, 1999</center><center><br clear="none"></center><center><br clear="none"></center><center><br clear="none"></center><div class="yiv8910367231yqt2328989637" id="yiv8910367231yqt35694"><div><div>On Mar 22, 2014, at 6:22 AM, Jonathan Duncan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv8910367231Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Hi all,<br clear="none">
I was wondering about question marks in Signwriting.<br clear="none">
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I found this <br clear="none">
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<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/research/rese025.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/research/rese025.html</a><br clear="none">
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<br clear="none"><div style="color: rgb(191, 76, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: inherit; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Any word written in
SignWriting has the face, or shoulder bar on top (if necessary)
and the handshape(s) around the face or shoulder bar. General
movements are below the handshape(s) , but finger movements are
indicated by the fingers of the handshape(s) and head movements
are indicated by the face symbol . A sign dictionary written in
SignWriting looks up lexical items based on the ten groups of
handshapes, then on the movements, also broken down into groups,
then facial expressions, then head and body positions as
demonstrated in Appendix G.<br clear="none">
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Two questionable SignWriting practices involve punctuation and the
writing of fingerspelled words. Punctuation in SignWriting makes
use of bars. One vertical, slightly thick bar placed after a sign
indicates a period. Two thin vertical bars indicate a pause or
comma , and two thin vertical bars slightly further apart indicate
a longer pause or semi-colon . Two bars next to each other, one
thin and the other thick indicate a question mark . Two thick bars
indicate a colon . Parentheses and quotes look similar to the
punctuation marks used in English. All of the punctuation marks
used in SignWriting can be the same as those used to write
English: . , ; ? : ( ).</div>
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There is no reason for SignWriting to adopt unique punctuation
marks for American Sign Language and it does not take away from
the writing of SignWriting to use English punctuation marks.
Furthermore, when a signer fingerspells an English word in ASL,
SignWriting uses the appropriate handshape symbol to write the
letters in the English word. This is also possibly a convention
that could be changed. Writing SignWriting by hand, one would
probably write the fingerspelled word in English letters instead
of writing the handshapes for each of the letters...<font color="#003f7f">*Footnote 15</font>...</div>
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It describes a question mark as "Two bars next to each other, one
thin and the other thick indicate a question mark" but that
description fits the Semi-Colon. And in the example above it there
seems to the semi-colon symbol after the questions.<br clear="none">
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So is the symbol for the semi-colon the same as the question mark?<br clear="none">
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